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Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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#41
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To all the naysayers, is there any other way to hold fox accountable for all the propaganda and division that they have down for that 5 years at least? And to hold rupert murdoch accountable?

If someone had enough money, would it be possible to buy a controlling share in NewsCorp?

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#42
post #3

> Smartmatic accused Rupert Murdoch’s network of promoting a false narrative about the 2020 election I can't wait to see the evidence. That'll prove that the devices are auditable. They are, right? If anyone in government really wants to have a notable legacy, here's how: petition the USDS to create an integrated open-source election system, and get people like Matt Blaze and Harri Hursti to run a red team against it…

I can't wait to see the evidence. That'll prove that the devices are auditable. They are, right?

When Fox talking heads are claiming Hugo Chavez had a hand in the design, and "The Smartmatic software is in the DNA of every vote-tabulating company’s software and systems", I don't think the ability to audit the machines will come into play. What will come into play is whether or not any of Fox's unsubstantiated shit-talking can be taken to be true. IANAL, and I have might have a particular dislike for all parties involved, but I don't think we'll get the evidence we'd like to see.

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#43
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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you think people will accept The One True Machine from the feds is any better?

Source code. If they don't like it, they can audit it themselves.

Source code, binaries, and a reproducible binary build system. If you don't modify your compiler to enable reproducible binaries, YOU'RE AGAINST DEMOCRACY.

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#44
I don’t think this is going to go anywhere, probably just handing out lawsuits. I do believe they may be able to win their case against Giuliani. Read a long article going into depth about it and seems like a strong case that he was very negligent. I mean there are court records of him saying they have no evidence for his claims yet he continued to spew them in public.

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#45
post #3

> Smartmatic accused Rupert Murdoch’s network of promoting a false narrative about the 2020 election I can't wait to see the evidence. That'll prove that the devices are auditable. They are, right? If anyone in government really wants to have a notable legacy, here's how: petition the USDS to create an integrated open-source election system, and get people like Matt Blaze and Harri Hursti to run a red team against it…

Can you give an example of what you would characterize as "smears against people who call for entirely reasonable verification"? And while you're at it, who you consider a "top-tier expert"?

It seems to me that the people getting served with lawsuits weren't just concerned about vulnerabilities and calling for verification, they were outright claiming that the election was stolen. And stating made-up ideas about how it was done as facts, at that. Like Sidney Powell saying Dominion machines were designed to count Biden votes as 1.26 and Trump votes as 0.74.

If all they wanted was verification, well, Georgia recounted all the paper ballots by hand and compared the results to what the machines scanned. So did Antrim county in Michigan. So did Dane and Milwaukee counties in Wisconsin -- which Trump's campaign paid $3M to recount. Those recounts didn't show a problem with the machines.

If you believe it was stolen, you have to believe they faked the recounts too, or that they recounted fake paper ballots fabricated to back up the original numbers. But at that point, is it really about the voting machines? You could take the machines out of the picture completely, have an all-paper election, counted by hand starting on Nov 3, and have the exact same allegations that you don't trust the count.

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#46
post #7

To all the naysayers, is there any other way to hold fox accountable for all the propaganda and division that they have down for that 5 years at least? And to hold rupert murdoch accountable?

CNN as well? Some CNN lies: 1. "When President Trump met with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe last November, the pair took part in a koi fish feeding ceremony. A video posted by CNN appeared to show Trump dumping his entire box of food into the koi pond unprompted. An unedited video revealed that Trump was simply following the lead of Abe, who emptied his box of food first." 2."CNN claimed that only Democratic mem…

What are these quotes from?

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#47
post #3

> Smartmatic accused Rupert Murdoch’s network of promoting a false narrative about the 2020 election I can't wait to see the evidence. That'll prove that the devices are auditable. They are, right? If anyone in government really wants to have a notable legacy, here's how: petition the USDS to create an integrated open-source election system, and get people like Matt Blaze and Harri Hursti to run a red team against it…

The most incredible factoid for me: These machines, the Smartmatic machines, weren't even really used in the election. >Smartmatic technology was used only in Los Angeles County, California in the 2020 election. The system we provided to LA County does not count, tabulate or store votes.[1] A single county in the whole of the United States used them. Verifiable or not, there's nothing this company could of done to ch…

Yeah, one of the things you are expected to accept right off the bat going into the conspiracy "evidence" is that all of these companies are essentially the same entity: Diebold, Dominion, Sequoia, SmartMatic, and Edison Research. Once you buy that, you'll also buy that they're all owned by communist China.

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#48

There must be repercussions for lies. There must be. It's not a free speech issue.

When government decides a group must be punished then bad things happen. Genocide, civil war, etc. http://www.projetaladin.org/holocaust/en/history-of-the-holo...

The government decides all the time that some people should be punished. It's the justice system.

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#49
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, the average citizen will definitely trust that "homomorphic encryption" isn't just some nonsense made up so the election can be rigged.

The difference is that with something like ElectionGuard - as long as the encrypted result is publicly available - you would remove an entire class of complaints that people have with the current system - individuals would be able to validate that their personal vote was counted appropriately, and you would be able to audit the authenticity of every vote without disclosing/revealing who individuals vote for. Unlike t…

Many of the people who believe in election fraud do so because the leader of their tribe said there's election fraud and social psychology leads people to tend to believe the things that the leader of their tribe says. This is a human condition issue, not an evidentiary issue.

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#50
post #11
post #7

To all the naysayers, is there any other way to hold fox accountable for all the propaganda and division that they have down for that 5 years at least? And to hold rupert murdoch accountable?

Not just 5 years. They were lead cheerleaders for the 2003 Iraq War.

So was the majority of both parties and most of the mass media.
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