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Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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#21
post #15

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Source code. If they don't like it, they can audit it themselves.

How will they know the source code they're reading is what's on the machines? An important part of elections is for people to understand and trust the process. Paper is easy to understand; you and a bunch of your neighbors counting paper votes is easy to trust. Maybe mix in a machine to speed up the process that is also verified by hand. Yet I can't help but think nothing will convince those who so easily believe in…

You can use homomorphic encryption that allows the vote (after-the-fact) to be auditable but secure and allows individuals to validate that their vote was counted accurately.

Microsoft has a project that seems to work in this direction:

https://github.com/microsoft/electionguard

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#22
post #7

To all the naysayers, is there any other way to hold fox accountable for all the propaganda and division that they have down for that 5 years at least? And to hold rupert murdoch accountable?

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Cancel culture means only once view point is allowed.

Anyone that disagrees is automatically attacked and given many horrible labels.

Want to move the tax rate up or down? Your a racist if you pick wrong.

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#23

There must be repercussions for lies. There must be. It's not a free speech issue.

This has come up before for Fox News in the courts. They won. Because they are not a news channel and only air opinion pieces they aren't subject to the Fairness Doctrine. Also, Reagan killed the Fairness Doctrine so it doesn't really matter. Basically Fox is free to lie as much as they like and it's perfectly legal because some politicians found it to be beneficial. https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-liter…

Ah, so glad that only one side lies. So nice of the other side to keep telling us constantly. Wonderful how we can trust big brother on everything.

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#24

There must be repercussions for lies. There must be. It's not a free speech issue.

When government decides a group must be punished then bad things happen.

Genocide, civil war, etc.

http://www.projetaladin.org/holocaust/en/history-of-the-holo...

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#25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has come up before for Fox News in the courts. They won. Because they are not a news channel and only air opinion pieces they aren't subject to the Fairness Doctrine. Also, Reagan killed the Fairness Doctrine so it doesn't really matter. Basically Fox is free to lie as much as they like and it's perfectly legal because some politicians found it to be beneficial. https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-liter…

Ah, so glad that only one side lies. So nice of the other side to keep telling us constantly. Wonderful how we can trust big brother on everything.

The whatabboutism sure came quick.

Dude, you messed up the playbook. Deny first then deflect. Or were there too many sources posted and you thought the denial would look silly?

Also, put up or shut up. Find a legal case where an NBC, ABC, PBS, Washington Post, NYT, etc... reporter uses the "I only broadcast opinions so the truth doesn't matter" defense. I'm waiting.

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#26
post #7

To all the naysayers, is there any other way to hold fox accountable for all the propaganda and division that they have down for that 5 years at least? And to hold rupert murdoch accountable?

CNN as well?

Some CNN lies:

1. "When President Trump met with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe last November, the pair took part in a koi fish feeding ceremony. A video posted by CNN appeared to show Trump dumping his entire box of food into the koi pond unprompted.

An unedited video revealed that Trump was simply following the lead of Abe, who emptied his box of food first."

2."CNN claimed that only Democratic members of Congress gathered to pray before the 2017 Congressional Baseball Game — the first game after House Majority Whip Steve Scalise was shot and nearly killed."

3. "After a May shooting at Santa Fe High School in Texas, CNN reporters immediately began claiming that there were 22 school shootings on the year.

However, CNN wildly exaggerates the number of school shootings by using methodology that includes accidental firearm discharges on school property, domestic disputes, and other non-active shooter events."

4. "Multiple CNN reporters speculated about the whereabouts of Melania Trump after a scheduled kidney surgery and then denied responsibility for any conspiracy theories about the first lady.

Media reporter Brian Stelter led his “Reliable Sources” newsletter on June 3rd with the headline “Melania M.I.A,” and insisted the first lady’s whereabouts were a “mystery” because she had not been seen in public since May 10."

5. "CNN fakes internet meme to smear alt-right. CNN told their viewers that this racist meme was going viral in alt-right circles. However it was revealed that the network actually created the image themselves in an attempt to smear Trump supporters as white supremacists. The internet did not exist on the internet at all."

There is so much more fake news from CNN than these few examples.

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#27
post #3

> Smartmatic accused Rupert Murdoch’s network of promoting a false narrative about the 2020 election I can't wait to see the evidence. That'll prove that the devices are auditable. They are, right? If anyone in government really wants to have a notable legacy, here's how: petition the USDS to create an integrated open-source election system, and get people like Matt Blaze and Harri Hursti to run a red team against it…

I agree with the anti black boxes, but it won't solve the disinformation. Once the code is available someone who is either ignorant or intentionally lying will make up some story about how it's vulnerable - and the lay people will eat it up because they want to believe it, and will believe they have proof.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Cancel culture means only once view point is allowed. Anyone that disagrees is automatically attacked and given many horrible labels. Want to move the tax rate up or down? Your a racist if you pick wrong.

We want structural change with laws and government regulation!

No, you can't have that, the market must decide, it's most efficient!

Ok, then when people do things we don't like, we will boycott them since we can only use market based solutions.

No, that's cancel culture!

Hmm.... seems like these two ideas together is basically just a long way of saying that those with power should be immune from society at large.

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#29

There must be repercussions for lies. There must be. It's not a free speech issue.

Traditionally, the repercussion for lying was loss of reputation/business/relationships. It didn't always work that way, of course, but it was a moderately effective dynamic overall.

What's new now is that everyone's ability to create a network (and leverage network effects) via social media is tremendously amplified. That means both a reward system for embracing lies as long as the lies agree with in-group beliefs, and a greatly increased ability to spread them.

Congress can't legislate that media (or Karen on Twitter for that matter) has to tell the truth -- that's a pretty well established point of law and you'd likely need to amend the Constitution if you wanted wholesale, mandated change. Against the backdrop of that not-gonna-happen-in-our-lifetime heavy lift, the boomlet in deplatforming is actually a pretty good (although I personally dislike it) and organic solution. Private-sector actors are doing what Congress and the Court cannot.

Now, does it solve for the dopamine drip and self-reinforcing vitriol that caused our current problem? No. But it does, at least partially, quarantine it.

Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

#30

There must be repercussions for lies. There must be. It's not a free speech issue.

This has come up before for Fox News in the courts. They won. Because they are not a news channel and only air opinion pieces they aren't subject to the Fairness Doctrine. Also, Reagan killed the Fairness Doctrine so it doesn't really matter. Basically Fox is free to lie as much as they like and it's perfectly legal because some politicians found it to be beneficial. https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-liter…

It's questionable whether the Fairness Doctrine was ever an issue. It was originally established because the government owned the airwaves and leased them to broadcasters -- like a landlord, they could have standards.

But the doctrine never applied to print publishers because the government didn't have a similar stake in that medium. Given that cable companies and the wires they use are all private, it seems unlikely they could be restricted under a revised Fairness Doctrine without running into 1A issues.

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