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Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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To all the naysayers, is there any other way to hold fox accountable for all the propaganda and division that they have down for that 5 years at least? And to hold rupert murdoch accountable?

Not just 5 years. They were lead cheerleaders for the 2003 Iraq War.

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post #11
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To all the naysayers, is there any other way to hold fox accountable for all the propaganda and division that they have down for that 5 years at least? And to hold rupert murdoch accountable?

Not just 5 years. They were lead cheerleaders for the 2003 Iraq War.

And Murdoch's media in UK were cheerleaders for Brexit, and in Australia for climate change denial.

At least Rupert Murdoch's son James has split from the family media interests and spoken out:

* https://www.ft.com/content/9eab68e1-7afb-4282-95fa-3149bd091... [paywall]

* https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/15/media/james-murdoch-elect...

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To all the naysayers, is there any other way to hold fox accountable for all the propaganda and division that they have down for that 5 years at least? And to hold rupert murdoch accountable?

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Perhaps this may come off sounding a little too “no true Scotsman”-y for HN, but I have to shake my head and chuckle quietly to myself whenever I hear about a “left wing” multi billion dollar corporation.

Additionally, divisiveness is not inherently bad - or, at least, it’s often better than the alternative. The American Civil Rights Movement was extremely divisive, for example.

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> Smartmatic accused Rupert Murdoch’s network of promoting a false narrative about the 2020 election I can't wait to see the evidence. That'll prove that the devices are auditable. They are, right? If anyone in government really wants to have a notable legacy, here's how: petition the USDS to create an integrated open-source election system, and get people like Matt Blaze and Harri Hursti to run a red team against it…

What makes you think people will accept The One True Machine from the feds is any better?

Source code. If they don't like it, they can audit it themselves.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you think people will accept The One True Machine from the feds is any better?

Source code. If they don't like it, they can audit it themselves.

Or, you know, they can do what they always do - take a piece of totally benign information (in this case source code), confidently and wrongly contend that it's a back door for the socialists and scream about it on fox news.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you think people will accept The One True Machine from the feds is any better?

Source code. If they don't like it, they can audit it themselves.

How will they know the source code they're reading is what's on the machines?

An important part of elections is for people to understand and trust the process. Paper is easy to understand; you and a bunch of your neighbors counting paper votes is easy to trust. Maybe mix in a machine to speed up the process that is also verified by hand.

Yet I can't help but think nothing will convince those who so easily believe in a vast conspiracy to alter election results spanning multiple states with different political leanings and cultures.

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To all the naysayers, is there any other way to hold fox accountable for all the propaganda and division that they have down for that 5 years at least? And to hold rupert murdoch accountable?

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It would be funny if it wasn't so depressing the way that right-wing extreme selfishness is so often justified by trying to make a false equivalence with unselfish left-wing ideas.

Wanting people to be less shit to each other - and to the rest of nature - is not the same as advocating for the right of the rich to shit on everyone else.

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There must be repercussions for lies. There must be. It's not a free speech issue.

This has come up before for Fox News in the courts. They won. Because they are not a news channel and only air opinion pieces they aren't subject to the Fairness Doctrine.

Also, Reagan killed the Fairness Doctrine so it doesn't really matter. Basically Fox is free to lie as much as they like and it's perfectly legal because some politicians found it to be beneficial.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-...

https://www.newsweek.com/fox-news-host-shepard-smith-opinion...

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sean-hannity-the-whole-newspa...

Any time a Fox News host is pressed about their lies they fall back to the "nobody would believe these obvious lies" defense, and it works. Accountability is dead.

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