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Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Post by vlang1dot0 »

Errsher wrote: post #21
Buttons840 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How will they know the source code they're reading is what's on the machines? An important part of elections is for people to understand and trust the process. Paper is easy to understand; you and a bunch of your neighbors counting paper votes is easy to trust. Maybe mix in a machine to speed up the process that is also verified by hand. Yet I can't help but think nothing will convince those who so easily believe in…

You can use homomorphic encryption that allows the vote (after-the-fact) to be auditable but secure and allows individuals to validate that their vote was counted accurately. Microsoft has a project that seems to work in this direction: https://github.com/microsoft/electionguard

Ah yes, the average citizen will definitely trust that "homomorphic encryption" isn't just some nonsense made up so the election can be rigged.

Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Post by [deleted] »

treeman79 wrote: post #24
jimjimjim wrote: post #19

There must be repercussions for lies. There must be. It's not a free speech issue.

When government decides a group must be punished then bad things happen. Genocide, civil war, etc. http://www.projetaladin.org/holocaust/en/history-of-the-holo...

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Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Post by triceratops »

easton wrote: post #15
xxpor wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you think people will accept The One True Machine from the feds is any better?

Source code. If they don't like it, they can audit it themselves.

You vastly underestimate the imaginations of conspiracy theorists. And the gullibility of those who follow them.

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Post by Nasrudith »

jimjimjim wrote: post #19

There must be repercussions for lies. There must be. It's not a free speech issue.

That populist soundbyte has been spreading like a virus but I have yet to see any elaboration let alone a coherent plan. What consequences, and how would it be remotely constitutional? Boycott those who advertise on Fox News? Sure - that is well within your rights of freedom of association. Libel to the typical standards of actual malice for public figures sure. Outlawing "lies"? There are so many things wrong with that. Forget the zeitgeist and imagine what your worst enemies or worst people in history could do with such tools and deciding what counts as a lie. 'Fake news' punishments for pointing out the lack of evidence of hydroxychloroquine as effective for COVID-19.

Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Post by Craighead »

txsoftwaredev wrote: post #26
ashneo76 wrote: post #7

To all the naysayers, is there any other way to hold fox accountable for all the propaganda and division that they have down for that 5 years at least? And to hold rupert murdoch accountable?

CNN as well? Some CNN lies: 1. "When President Trump met with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe last November, the pair took part in a koi fish feeding ceremony. A video posted by CNN appeared to show Trump dumping his entire box of food into the koi pond unprompted. An unedited video revealed that Trump was simply following the lead of Abe, who emptied his box of food first." 2."CNN claimed that only Democratic mem…

This is such an obnoxiously bad take to draw a false parallel between CNN and Fox. Please go back to Parler or 8chan with this nonsense.

Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Post by SR2Z »

txsoftwaredev wrote: post #26
ashneo76 wrote: post #7

To all the naysayers, is there any other way to hold fox accountable for all the propaganda and division that they have down for that 5 years at least? And to hold rupert murdoch accountable?

CNN as well? Some CNN lies: 1. "When President Trump met with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe last November, the pair took part in a koi fish feeding ceremony. A video posted by CNN appeared to show Trump dumping his entire box of food into the koi pond unprompted. An unedited video revealed that Trump was simply following the lead of Abe, who emptied his box of food first." 2."CNN claimed that only Democratic mem…

There's a massive difference between "Trump dumped a box of fish food into a fish pond!" and "The election was rigged and the government of the most powerful nation on earth is illegitimate!"

You KNOW that these two are totally incomparable. None of your examples are any better.

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Post by ouid »

Buttons840 wrote: post #17
easton wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source code. If they don't like it, they can audit it themselves.

How will they know the source code they're reading is what's on the machines? An important part of elections is for people to understand and trust the process. Paper is easy to understand; you and a bunch of your neighbors counting paper votes is easy to trust. Maybe mix in a machine to speed up the process that is also verified by hand. Yet I can't help but think nothing will convince those who so easily believe in…

The thing that really keeps elections secure, practically, is adversarial observers. If you want people to have faith in the election, this is the system to explain, and demonstrate. You can even go be an observer if you like.

Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Post by Errsher »

vlang1dot0 wrote: post #31
Errsher wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can use homomorphic encryption that allows the vote (after-the-fact) to be auditable but secure and allows individuals to validate that their vote was counted accurately. Microsoft has a project that seems to work in this direction: https://github.com/microsoft/electionguard

Ah yes, the average citizen will definitely trust that "homomorphic encryption" isn't just some nonsense made up so the election can be rigged.

The difference is that with something like ElectionGuard - as long as the encrypted result is publicly available - you would remove an entire class of complaints that people have with the current system - individuals would be able to validate that their personal vote was counted appropriately, and you would be able to audit the authenticity of every vote without disclosing/revealing who individuals vote for. Unlike the current system which allows opportunity for fraud and is not always auditable (at least not immediately), the actual voting infrastructure and procedures do not matter as much if we can independently verify the authenticity of the _outcome_.

Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Post by jVinc »

devwastaken wrote: post #27
ibejoeb wrote: post #3

> Smartmatic accused Rupert Murdoch’s network of promoting a false narrative about the 2020 election I can't wait to see the evidence. That'll prove that the devices are auditable. They are, right? If anyone in government really wants to have a notable legacy, here's how: petition the USDS to create an integrated open-source election system, and get people like Matt Blaze and Harri Hursti to run a red team against it…

I agree with the anti black boxes, but it won't solve the disinformation. Once the code is available someone who is either ignorant or intentionally lying will make up some story about how it's vulnerable - and the lay people will eat it up because they want to believe it, and will believe they have proof.

That seemed to have happened even though the code wasn't available. So yes, you are absolutely correct, people will lie, willfully or ignorantly.
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