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China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly'

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Re: China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly'

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It's quite easy to achieve: have women to be manly for. One child policy ruined the life of hundreds of millions of men.

> One child policy ruined the life of hundreds of millions of men You’ve got the wrong gender.

I'm sorry, you are right :(

Killed lots of girl embrios and babies and ruined life of men :(

Re: China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly'

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post #5

It's quite easy to achieve: have women to be manly for. One child policy ruined the life of hundreds of millions of men.

Wait, I thought that was already the effect, no? With men outnumbering women by a good margin, surely men would try to "out-man" each other to find a mate?

When there are so many men that they know that they will never have a girlfriend or wife in their lives, they stop competing....why go to the gym at that point?

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China must be stopped? What the fuck does that mean dude?

Well, there are some things that need to be stopped like the endless wars on the other side of the world, the extrajudicial drone bombing of their own citizens, the lawless surveillance, militarized seat of government, ramming civilian cargo vessels with battleships, the list of things to stop goes in and on.

> Well, there are some things that need to be stopped like the endless wars on the other side of the world, the extrajudicial drone bombing of their own citizens, the lawless surveillance, militarized seat of government, ramming civilian cargo vessels with battleships, the list of things to stop goes in and on.

Of course an Adolph would try to distract focus from a oppressive unashamedly authoritarian regime towards smaller inward-focused issues.

Re: China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly'

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China must be stopped? What the fuck does that mean dude?

Well, there are some things that need to be stopped like the endless wars on the other side of the world, the extrajudicial drone bombing of their own citizens, the lawless surveillance, militarized seat of government, ramming civilian cargo vessels with battleships, the list of things to stop goes in and on.

Your first example lost me. Are you really talking about China?

Re: China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly'

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Anyone who follows main stream entertainment in China and social media would understand these events as a commonly occurring cultural phenomenon (roughly the equivalent of 'masculinity/identity crisis' lately). Having lived in Europe for more than a decade I however, did find the english title very alarming and worrying, even while reading the same chinese text have no such feeling at all.... language works in differ…

Two things to note here, first that this isn't really different to any other part of the world. There's always some concern about feminisation of men by (usually) older people who had a rough childhood in the war or something and now project their ideals onto others. The other thing to note, although its not particularly interesting, is that there's going to be a media bias against china from the west in general.

There are nuances and some culture differences in young people from asian and US background e.g. The feminine males are a big part in the mass media such as pop culture (Jpop or Kpop) and anime. Never have the muscular characters dominated any genre (just check any main guy in Japanese/Korean productions). The frail ones are a stereotypical archetype. But I guess you're right about the older generation projecting ideals onto youths nowadays...

Re: China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly'

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> last week, the education ministry issued a notice with a title that left no doubt about its ultimate goal. The linked notice is titled 关于政协十三届全国委员会第三次会议第4404号(教育类410号)提案答复的函 教师提案〔2020〕475号 http://www.moe.gov.cn/jyb_xxgk/xxgk_jyta/jyta_jiaoshisi/2021... About the Political Consultative Conference's 13th National Committee's third session, answer to the 4404th proposal (410th on education). Teaching proposal no. 475…

That someone is perhaps a member of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference. I think a close equivalence is an MP in the UK or a congressman / congresswoman / senate in the US. They make proposals on various aspects of life in China. Those proposals aren't official policies. BBC should really have done a better job here. It is also funny to see the top thread a few minutes ago quickly developed into so…

> They make proposals on various aspects of life in China. Those proposals aren't official policies. > BBC should really have done a better job here.

The BBC has been flogging SJW agendas for a while now. Even though they're a state organ they need clicks just like anyone else -- and this gets traffic.

Mix in some good ole China xenophobia and voila, one of the most active posts on HN.

The formula works.

Re: China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly'

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Wait, I thought that was already the effect, no? With men outnumbering women by a good margin, surely men would try to "out-man" each other to find a mate?

When there are so many men that they know that they will never have a girlfriend or wife in their lives, they stop competing....why go to the gym at that point?

Look good for other dudes? (gay or otherwise) Health and endorphins?

I don't go to the gym for the wife, but she sure appreciates it.

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Average testosterone levels have been dropping significantly all around the world, so this policy likely wouldn't be the cause of the feminization of men.

Too much Oestrogen in the water supplies perhaps? https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101208125813.h...

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Re: China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly'

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post #63
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, there are some things that need to be stopped like the endless wars on the other side of the world, the extrajudicial drone bombing of their own citizens, the lawless surveillance, militarized seat of government, ramming civilian cargo vessels with battleships, the list of things to stop goes in and on.

> Well, there are some things that need to be stopped like the endless wars on the other side of the world, the extrajudicial drone bombing of their own citizens, the lawless surveillance, militarized seat of government, ramming civilian cargo vessels with battleships, the list of things to stop goes in and on. Of course an Adolph would try to distract focus from a oppressive unashamedly authoritarian regime towards…

My apologies if I caused offense. In terms of focus I advocate for the power of "and" although I disagree with your characterization of the problems raised as "smaller inward-focused." The wars and droning are not small nor inward-focused. The ramming was referred to in gallows humor as I don't think the Navy is so incompetent that they would think ramming cargo vessels would be effective, just incompetent enough to be accident-prone.

The g-parent comment asserts that "China must be stopped" and I started thinking about what aspect(s) of China do they want to stop. Certainly they don't want to end the country and its inhabitants. Maybe they want to stop some behaviors that cause harm in the world? What behaviors would those be? The comment uses the past tense "stopped" instead of "stop" so the implication is that some not-China entity performs the stopping.

So what behavior to stop and what entity to do the stopping? Are the actions necessary to stop the behavior proportionate and are they likely effective? To predict this, I look to the track record of previous attempts to "stop" nations and it isn't pretty. My comment came from thinking about what has happened in the US over the course of this century as it has embarked on ever newer crusades to stop this or that.

Re: China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly'

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, there are some things that need to be stopped like the endless wars on the other side of the world, the extrajudicial drone bombing of their own citizens, the lawless surveillance, militarized seat of government, ramming civilian cargo vessels with battleships, the list of things to stop goes in and on.

Your first example lost me. Are you really talking about China?

No, the example was made in jest after thinking about various actions by other countries that should be stopped.
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