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China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly'

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Re: China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly'

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And then what happens? Someone like him will replace him and the show will go on

Chinese history repeats itself endlessly. Dominance is followed by weakness is followed by revolution. Chinese leadership is very aware of their history, yet is ultimately powerless to change it, but each generation thinks this time is different. Modern China is only 70 years old.

Not sure if this is specific to China.

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It's quite easy to achieve: have women to be manly for. One child policy ruined the life of hundreds of millions of men.

Ah, but if you convince them that the women are in other countries they might be more inclined to join the army.

Or the labour export. Iirc, it was a thing in Pakistan a few years back that the Pakistani govt had to clamp down on because it led to domestic abuse and abandonment in many cases.

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It's quite easy to achieve: have women to be manly for. One child policy ruined the life of hundreds of millions of men.

Average testosterone levels have been dropping significantly all around the world, so this policy likely wouldn't be the cause of the feminization of men.

Too much Oestrogen in the water supplies perhaps?

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101208125813.h...

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And then what happens? Someone like him will replace him and the show will go on

Chinese history repeats itself endlessly. Dominance is followed by weakness is followed by revolution. Chinese leadership is very aware of their history, yet is ultimately powerless to change it, but each generation thinks this time is different. Modern China is only 70 years old.

Has any country remained strong for all its history in the last millenium? Look at Britain or the Dutch. They aren't weak as such but their influence is very less now.

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Whatever China does lately seems to be tailored to inch its society toward more expansive mode and military values. A lot of nationalism in the curriculum, the "wolf warriors" ideas etc. I do not think they are doing this for shits and giggles. They invest a lot overseas and must be aware that one day, one of their client countries will rebel and will need to be subdued militarily to protect the investments and dissu…

> So far we seem to be mostly ignoring this yet-soft development, maybe because the idea of having a Cold War 2.0 with a major industrial power is really uncomfortable. The big question is: what can we do, really? The media in the West are quite frank about what is going on: China is a totalitarian state with all consequences. The politicians, though, seem terrified and bend over backwards in order not to offend the…

There are a lot of things we can do, but that requires the EU, the US and China's neighbors to work together. It requires US to have a vision for countering China's growing sphere of influence. Unfortunately, the US is content to let China grow into the void that the US has left as it abdicates its role as superpower. The EU isn't fit to function as a counterweight to China.

I say all this as an EU citizen. For all its faults, the US is the one ally we have that could possibly coordinate an appropriate response (no, not military - financial, political and social, but also military if need be) and it's a tragedy that the US is just ... giving up.

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> The question is what is the rest of the world going to do. Most of the world probably dislikes China as much as they dislike the USA. If anything, they will be indifferent to the conflict, unless they happen to be in a "proxy-conflict" zone.

The UK is siding strongly with the US on this - including sending a carrier group to the South China Sea: https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/british-carrier-strike-group... I can't imagine, given the history between the two countries, that the Chinese are that delighted to have the Royal Navy active in their part of the world again.

When they are ready to do so I'm pretty sure that the Chinese Navy will send an aircraft carrier visit Russia (Murmansk, St Petersburg, or Kaliningrad) and they will make sure to sail through the Channel. Or maybe they will just 'patrol' the North Atlantic. Two can play that game.

A Chinese destroyer already sailed through the Channel in 2019 on its way to an event in St Petersburg.

At the end of the day the UK of the 21st century cannot keep up with the China of the 21st century. The Chinese economy is already 6x times larger than the UK's, with a population 20x larger. At some point the Chinese Navy will be able to align 10 aircraft carriers for every British Navy one if they want to.

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The UK is siding strongly with the US on this - including sending a carrier group to the South China Sea: https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/british-carrier-strike-group... I can't imagine, given the history between the two countries, that the Chinese are that delighted to have the Royal Navy active in their part of the world again.

When they are ready to do so I'm pretty sure that the Chinese Navy will send an aircraft carrier visit Russia (Murmansk, St Petersburg, or Kaliningrad) and they will make sure to sail through the Channel. Or maybe they will just 'patrol' the North Atlantic. Two can play that game. A Chinese destroyer already sailed through the Channel in 2019 on its way to an event in St Petersburg. At the end of the day the UK of th…

Quite - I wasn't meaning to imply that I thought it was a good idea!

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Whatever China does lately seems to be tailored to inch its society toward more expansive mode and military values. A lot of nationalism in the curriculum, the "wolf warriors" ideas etc. I do not think they are doing this for shits and giggles. They invest a lot overseas and must be aware that one day, one of their client countries will rebel and will need to be subdued militarily to protect the investments and dissu…

Eh, I would count this just as some people not being comfortable with the social changes happening.

If you look at most of the pop culture that comes out from East Asia, the typical male archetype seems to be gentle, boyish looking men who are chivalrous and act cute at the same time. Typical masculine features like beards are generally considered unattractive on males. I guess, some people might not like it.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chinese history repeats itself endlessly. Dominance is followed by weakness is followed by revolution. Chinese leadership is very aware of their history, yet is ultimately powerless to change it, but each generation thinks this time is different. Modern China is only 70 years old.

Not sure if this is specific to China.

Not GP, but it is. Chinese believe that the govt has to have a heavenly mandate to rule over them, and that when they lose favour with the heavens, they end up in decline. And Chinese govts know fully well about the cyclical nature of government in the country. If you see recently, most of the moves by the CCP recently have been to advance the image of Xi as the modern equivalent of an emperor.

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> last week, the education ministry issued a notice with a title that left no doubt about its ultimate goal. The linked notice is titled 关于政协十三届全国委员会第三次会议第4404号(教育类410号)提案答复的函 教师提案〔2020〕475号 http://www.moe.gov.cn/jyb_xxgk/xxgk_jyta/jyta_jiaoshisi/2021... About the Political Consultative Conference's 13th National Committee's third session, answer to the 4404th proposal (410th on education). Teaching proposal no. 475…

That someone is perhaps a member of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference. I think a close equivalence is an MP in the UK or a congressman / congresswoman / senate in the US.

They make proposals on various aspects of life in China. Those proposals aren't official policies.

BBC should really have done a better job here.

It is also funny to see the top thread a few minutes ago quickly developed into something like military might and "China must be stopped".

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