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China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly'

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Re: China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly'

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It's quite easy to achieve: have women to be manly for. One child policy ruined the life of hundreds of millions of men.

Average testosterone levels have been dropping significantly all around the world, so this policy likely wouldn't be the cause of the feminization of men.

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Whatever China does lately seems to be tailored to inch its society toward more expansive mode and military values. A lot of nationalism in the curriculum, the "wolf warriors" ideas etc. I do not think they are doing this for shits and giggles. They invest a lot overseas and must be aware that one day, one of their client countries will rebel and will need to be subdued militarily to protect the investments and dissu…

> The question is what is the rest of the world going to do.

Most of the world probably dislikes China as much as they dislike the USA. If anything, they will be indifferent to the conflict, unless they happen to be in a "proxy-conflict" zone.

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post #5

It's quite easy to achieve: have women to be manly for. One child policy ruined the life of hundreds of millions of men.

Wait, I thought that was already the effect, no? With men outnumbering women by a good margin, surely men would try to "out-man" each other to find a mate?

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post #12
post #8

I think Xi Jinping has to go. Where he is leading to, no-one truly wants to go.

And then what happens? Someone like him will replace him and the show will go on

Chinese history repeats itself endlessly. Dominance is followed by weakness is followed by revolution. Chinese leadership is very aware of their history, yet is ultimately powerless to change it, but each generation thinks this time is different. Modern China is only 70 years old.

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Whatever China does lately seems to be tailored to inch its society toward more expansive mode and military values. A lot of nationalism in the curriculum, the "wolf warriors" ideas etc. I do not think they are doing this for shits and giggles. They invest a lot overseas and must be aware that one day, one of their client countries will rebel and will need to be subdued militarily to protect the investments and dissu…

> The question is what is the rest of the world going to do. Most of the world probably dislikes China as much as they dislike the USA. If anything, they will be indifferent to the conflict, unless they happen to be in a "proxy-conflict" zone.

Even if what you say is true (it isn't) the world does NOT want major armed conflict between the two major powers. There would be a spillover of conflict, and major economic impacts.

Re: China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly'

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Whatever China does lately seems to be tailored to inch its society toward more expansive mode and military values. A lot of nationalism in the curriculum, the "wolf warriors" ideas etc. I do not think they are doing this for shits and giggles. They invest a lot overseas and must be aware that one day, one of their client countries will rebel and will need to be subdued militarily to protect the investments and dissu…

> So far we seem to be mostly ignoring this yet-soft development, maybe because the idea of having a Cold War 2.0 with a major industrial power is really uncomfortable.

The big question is: what can we do, really? The media in the West are quite frank about what is going on: China is a totalitarian state with all consequences. The politicians, though, seem terrified and bend over backwards in order not to offend the red dragon. There are small exceptions but in general China freaks out whenever anyone significant meets the Dalai Lama, for example.

A good example is Prague. Czechia is a tiny country in Central Europe with pro-China central government. However, the local government of its capital has a more free attitude and Beijing is getting furious each time the major of Prague meets the dissidents and so on. But most politicians in most countries are far less brave. Also they may realize the stakes are higher and higher.

Re: China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly'

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Whatever China does lately seems to be tailored to inch its society toward more expansive mode and military values. A lot of nationalism in the curriculum, the "wolf warriors" ideas etc. I do not think they are doing this for shits and giggles. They invest a lot overseas and must be aware that one day, one of their client countries will rebel and will need to be subdued militarily to protect the investments and dissu…

Or more simply and less conspiracist, this is a mix of conservative values, public health (people are less active and fatter), and historical memory of what happened to them in the last 200 years (i.e. they should be able not to take any sh*t and to defend themselves).

Re: China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly'

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Whatever China does lately seems to be tailored to inch its society toward more expansive mode and military values. A lot of nationalism in the curriculum, the "wolf warriors" ideas etc. I do not think they are doing this for shits and giggles. They invest a lot overseas and must be aware that one day, one of their client countries will rebel and will need to be subdued militarily to protect the investments and dissu…

> The question is what is the rest of the world going to do. Most of the world probably dislikes China as much as they dislike the USA. If anything, they will be indifferent to the conflict, unless they happen to be in a "proxy-conflict" zone.

The UK is siding strongly with the US on this - including sending a carrier group to the South China Sea:

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/british-carrier-strike-group...

I can't imagine, given the history between the two countries, that the Chinese are that delighted to have the Royal Navy active in their part of the world again.

Re: China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly'

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> last week, the education ministry issued a notice with a title that left no doubt about its ultimate goal.

The linked notice is titled 关于政协十三届全国委员会第三次会议第4404号(教育类410号)提案答复的函 教师提案〔2020〕475号 http://www.moe.gov.cn/jyb_xxgk/xxgk_jyta/jyta_jiaoshisi/2021...

About the Political Consultative Conference's 13th National Committee's third session, answer to the 4404th proposal (410th on education). Teaching proposal no. 475 (2020)

Yes, no doubts about its ultimate goal indeed.

The answer begins:

您提出的《关于防止男性青少年女性化的提案》收悉,现将涉及教育部业务部分答复如下:

Having received and read your "Proposal on the prevention of the feminization of male youth", the answers to the parts concerning the Ministry of Education are as follows:

(Then there's a bunch of blabla about improving school sports and whatnot, without any references to gender.)

So someone (who?) was concerned about feminization and asked the Ministry of Education to do something about that and they responded.

The BBC seems to have mistaken the title mentioned in the response for a statement of the Ministry of Education's official policy.

Maybe I should submit a "Proposal to replace Google Translate by fluent Chinese speakers" to the BBC so they can publish a headline "BBC to improve its reporting on China" but I'm not holding my breath.

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