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Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by VestingThrowawy »

mikedilger wrote: post #297
wsatb wrote: post #164

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Parler was never a "free speech" platform. This was always a lie, they heavily moderated their content. I've always felt like Parler was just a lazy attempt to make some cash by pulling some users away from Twitter claiming they could do what they want, it was never more or less than that. I'm interested in knowing how you think a real "free speech" platform can actually work, however. We have message boards that do…

> I'm interested in knowing how you think a real "free speech" platform can actually work, however. Let me give this a shot. There are two types of content that need to be removed: (1) spammy content that readers themselves don't want to see, and (2) illegal content that society doesn't want anybody to see. I think these two need to be addressed separately. Illegal content includes copyright infringement, violations…

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. If you want it - you get it with both barrels.

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Post by throwaway19937 »

someguydave wrote: post #410
pvg wrote: post #226

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That was a clearly partisan act Asking a customer to stick to the rules they agreed to and eventually ending the business relationship when the customer chooses not to is hardly a 'partisan act'. Parler could have just done what AWS asked (even temporarily, to keep themselves online while looking for alternatives). They didn't.

AWS also did not give Parler any time to cure their problems after making it clear that they wanted to terminate the contract for problematic content.

According to https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/29095511/13/parler-llc-... it took several months of moderation problems before AWS dropped Parler as a client.

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Post by esrauch »

taneq wrote: post #400
CaptainZapp wrote: post #339

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> Of course you own it and they will own it. While the receiver of a letter on paper certainly owns the letter she doesn't own its contents. The copyright of the letter remains with the author. So you can frame the letter and hang it on your wall you violate the authors copyright if you publish it without authorization.

True if you do it within the copyright period, however I'd imagine that (barring further Disney shenanigans) by 2121 the author's copyright would have expired and it would be in the public domain.

Current copyright extends to 70 years after death of the author, so the letter written today will still be copyrighted in 2121 if the author is alive for 30 more years from now.

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Post by unchocked »

Makes sense. I don't think the board ever intended Parler to be a business, but rather either a stick in the eye of contemporary culture or, as another poster put it, a data grab to identify their political constituency (see ID requirement).

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Post by AndrewUnmuted »

pinky1417 wrote: post #387
wsatb wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parler was never a "free speech" platform. This was always a lie, they heavily moderated their content. I've always felt like Parler was just a lazy attempt to make some cash by pulling some users away from Twitter claiming they could do what they want, it was never more or less than that. I'm interested in knowing how you think a real "free speech" platform can actually work, however. We have message boards that do…

Perhaps Parler wasn’t a true free speech platform, ie one that moderated only the legal bare minimum. But, even if it’s true that it was friendly to only end of the political spectrum, at least it was a competitor to Twitter. The elimination of the sole significant direct competitor to Twitter, even one that represents a subset of views and not all speech, is the problem. It means there’s a tech oligopoly. I’d love t…

Check out Scuttlebutt [0].

[0] https://scuttlebutt.nz

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Post by bonesss »

dmix wrote: post #157
judge2020 wrote: post #152

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> Amazon shouldn't be making these decisions, and certainly not without giving the other party ample time to make other arrangements Amazon is still working with Parler to export their data off of AWS. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/johnpaczkowski/amazon-p... > We will ensure that all of your data is preserved for you to migrate to your own servers, and will work with you as best as we can to help your migratio…

Taking the services entirely offline then giving them a few weeks to access archived data does not entirely cover the definition of (at least in my opinion): > not without giving the other party ample time to make other arrangements Going entirely offline like that can easily destroy a web business. Or at a minimum seriously harm them. Not to say I care much for Parler's technical nor administrative approach to provi…

Parler ignored repeated notices of TOS violations from Amazon, were given a chance to address their frequent TOS violations and incomplete enforcement of TOS violation notices, and came back with a very weak plan while still ignoring specific TOS violations AWS had notified them of.

Parler had ample time. They ignored warnings, they did not address their TOS violations. Then their contract was terminated, and AWS is helping them migrate after the fact. Parler displayed an ignorance of the law and how web hosting works.

Web companies that repeatedly violate the TOS of their hosts deserve to be at the mercy of their failover plans. That responsibility is borne by the web company, not the host.

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Post by MauranKilom »

stickfigure wrote: post #234
vkou wrote: post #216

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How do you think coups work? Look into the history of Greek city states. A mob of civilians storming the chambers of government is quite literally how tyrants have installed themselves. Some of those tyrants had to try multiple times, before the last attempt succeeded. They generally follow up by killing their political rivals, because people who come to power through violence rarely turn around and adopt a policy of…

There was no real threat to democracy here. It's not like the police and military are going to take commands from some nutjob cosplayer just because they're wielding Nancy Pelosi's lectern.

> There was no real threat to democracy here.

Killing elected officials going through the steps of a peaceful transition of power would have been "no real threat to democracy"?

> It's not like the police and military are going to take commands from some nutjob cosplayer just because they're wielding Nancy Pelosi's lectern.

Just because the USA would not instantaneously have become a dictatorship doesn't mean that there was no threat to democracy. Do you think Joe Biden would be president right now had they succeeded in storming the building (and had none of the officials been evacuated)?

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Post by a_new_start1 »

bearjaws wrote: post #407
Zigurd wrote: post #406

Discussions of right wing social media sites on HN are disturbingly sanitary. Before I posted this comment, the word "racism" appears one time among nearly 400 comments. "White supremacy" appeared only a handful of times. “Woman” or “women” appears nowhere in a discussion of a deeply misogynistic platform, movement, audience. Just as dark patterns, predatory business models, and enablement of antisocial behavior harm…

HN has a strong libertarian crowd, who would not agree with anything that impacts freedom of speech, even hate speech.

Which is ironic, considering HN is one of the most heavily modded forums around.

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Post by deelowe »

pessimizer wrote: post #399
Dirlewanger wrote: post #364

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Not Airbnb's fault, this is a failure of government and of the people for continuously voting in inept representatives.

It's odd that a hypothetical practice of AirBnB would be every single person's fault on the planet other than the people at AirBnB.

Are we still talking about factual comment of them requiring IDs or the completely unfounded speculation of them using it for all manner of things beyond regulatory compliance?

The former is a fairly defensible position. PCI standards for this sort of data collection should be a government matter as they are the ones requiring this information to begin with. The latter isn't based on reality and not worth arguing about.

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Post by jasonlotito »

skynet-9000 wrote: post #135
riffic wrote: post #128

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> Parler should not have been de-platformed You obviously did not see the material that the company allowed to be posted on their services in contravention to their hosting provider's terms of services. Always abide by your host's AUP. Otherwise, you can get yeeted.

> You obviously did not see the material that the company allowed to be posted on their services in contravention to their hosting provider's terms of services. Always abide by your host's AUP. AWS AUP: "You may not use.. or instruct others to use, the Services.. for any.. offensive use" "Offensive"? That word is so vague as to be meaningless. This turns into a dangerously simple attack. Just post something you know…

> Just post something you know will offend someone. Et viola: you just killed a company.

Except that's not how it works in the slightest. You have moderation in place to work to prevent that. You are doing your due diligence. You are making an honest effort to solve this problem. Mistakes will happen. Nothing is perfect, but you are making an honest attempt, and it's reasonably effective.

Parler was not doing anything close to that.

Your comment operates under the belief that these things are binary. Simply post one thing someone can find offensive, and "I win!"

But most people, most successful companies, are smarter than that and operate in reality.

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