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Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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FWIW, I recently found out that AirBnB now requires government id to be shared as verification after not having logged into AirBnB since 2014. I tried to delete my account but the option is not available or may be hidden behind the forced verification requirement.

That is so typical. My experience with Discord: I need to login to my account to be able to delete it, except what if I cannot log into it?! At first they disabled it, then I e-mailed them requesting them to delete my account, but all they did was a soft-delete, of course. All of the private messages are still there, etc. Even if I were to delete my account myself, it would still leave all my messages intact. I guess…

Now try the same with HN. You cannot remove your old posts.

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> We believe privacy is paramount and free speech essential, especially on social media. this, from their "technical difficulties" notice, should have been enough for him to be fired on its own. requiring some users to provide government identification, building such weak security that anyone can read and archive private messages, and not stripping out damaging meta-data from media posts are three ways to not provide…

FWIW, I recently found out that AirBnB now requires government id to be shared as verification after not having logged into AirBnB since 2014. I tried to delete my account but the option is not available or may be hidden behind the forced verification requirement.

DigitalOcean does (or did?) this as well. To be able to create larger droplets, they’d ask you to send in a photo of yourself holding government-issued photo id.

Anyone from DO reading this: I hope you shred those photos.

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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FWIW, I recently found out that AirBnB now requires government id to be shared as verification after not having logged into AirBnB since 2014. I tried to delete my account but the option is not available or may be hidden behind the forced verification requirement.

That is so typical. My experience with Discord: I need to login to my account to be able to delete it, except what if I cannot log into it?! At first they disabled it, then I e-mailed them requesting them to delete my account, but all they did was a soft-delete, of course. All of the private messages are still there, etc. Even if I were to delete my account myself, it would still leave all my messages intact. I guess…

https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/360004066391-H...

If you disabled the account yourself, then you should be able to recover it and then press the delete button yourself. If it was disabled for a TOS violation or for legal reasons then they might have a gdpr exemption to deleting the data[0] (NAL).

As for messages, those aren’t deleted - while this might be legal (anonymization is seen as compliant with the right to be forgotten) they really should make it an option, otherwise people end up using scripts which do it for them[1].

0: https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-data-protectio...

1: https://github.com/victornpb/deleteDiscordMessages

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The scariest one IME is having the bank cancel you. I really worry the world is heading for parallel societies. Good luck to us all.

Banks "cancel" people all the time. Bitcoin users, sex workers, hawala users, you name it. The only thing that seems to be novel hear is a bunch of racists getting upset at being on the short end of the stick for a change.

Not to mention Iranians when trump pulled out of the nuclear deal

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Differing points of view. The UK model where you can stand in Hyde Park and speak your mind spread to speakers corners in many places. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speakers%27_Corner You could speak, and it could be written down and hit the papers, where you were interviewed and reported - by an announcer/reporter.Then comes Radio - again a reporter/announcer, same with TV. In other words a chain of accountability w…

Speakers corner used to be an American belief but censorship is now in fashion.

Did america used to have the belief that all statements are required to be shown in newspapers or something? Newspapers didnt get to choose what stories to run?

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As someone who does deeply believe in and care about free speech (from all parties), I could not be in deeper agreement with you. (for non-native English speakers: I fully agree). Parler should not have been de-platformed. That was a clearly partisan act, and the truth would have come out shortly about the company's total lack of care for its users. Say what you will about Gab, but they never pulled any of those stun…

Parler was never a "free speech" platform. This was always a lie, they heavily moderated their content. I've always felt like Parler was just a lazy attempt to make some cash by pulling some users away from Twitter claiming they could do what they want, it was never more or less than that. I'm interested in knowing how you think a real "free speech" platform can actually work, however. We have message boards that do…

How was it a lie? You didn’t have an account there. And you’re very mistaken on the “make some cash” theory.

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As someone who does deeply believe in and care about free speech (from all parties), I could not be in deeper agreement with you. (for non-native English speakers: I fully agree). Parler should not have been de-platformed. That was a clearly partisan act, and the truth would have come out shortly about the company's total lack of care for its users. Say what you will about Gab, but they never pulled any of those stun…

Parler was never a "free speech" platform. This was always a lie, they heavily moderated their content. I've always felt like Parler was just a lazy attempt to make some cash by pulling some users away from Twitter claiming they could do what they want, it was never more or less than that. I'm interested in knowing how you think a real "free speech" platform can actually work, however. We have message boards that do…

> I'm interested in knowing how you think a real "free speech" platform can actually work, however.

Let me give this a shot. There are two types of content that need to be removed: (1) spammy content that readers themselves don't want to see, and (2) illegal content that society doesn't want anybody to see. I think these two need to be addressed separately.

Illegal content includes copyright infringement, violations of NDAs, libel, slander, perverting the course of justice (violations of court orders), incitements to violence, consipracy to commit a crime, exposing troop movements, and in general anything that directly causes damages which could be assessed and recovered in a court of law. Racism, sexism, homophobia, "hate speech", advocacy of violence, falsehoods, trickery, promoting very dangerous ideas, lying about (or being incorrect about) vaccines, lying (or being incorrect) about who won an election, offensive speech, and jokes of all kinds are, at least in America, all forms of protected speech.

Illegal content must be taken down when ordered by a court to do so. AFAIK the platform isn't responsible to take anything down unless ordered by a court to do so, but I'm probably just ignorant -- PLEASE dont take legal advice from some random armchair pontificator on the internet like myself. Section 230(c)(1) protects the platform as they are not deemed to be the speaker.

Most people are terrible judges of whether something is illegal or not. For example, many congresspeople think Trump's Jan 6 speech was illegal (it wasn't) because it incited violence (it didn't). It didn't even advocate for violence. The idea that it was illegal is so far beyond Brandenberg to be laughable if it wasn't so serious... but back to the point... Attempts to proactively take down illegal content will invariably take down some legal content, probably lots of legal content, which is why a true "ideal" free speech platform would not attempt to do this... one must have humility and recognize one's near utter inability to determine what is and what is not illegal to any reasonable degree of accuracy during times of political strife like we find ourselves in today. The popular opinion right now is that all of us should enact justice upon each other according to our own personal interpretation of justice... which is just nuts when you think about it. Let's leave law enforcement up to the law enforcement professionals.

The first issue, the spammy content, would then be handled the same way we handle email spam. Plug into the spam filtering service of your choice, subscribe to rulesets, or write your own. I don't know of any platform that lets you plug in your own moderation, and so that's where I think they've all gone wrong - they either get flooded with spam or antisemites and become nearly useless to nearly everybody, or else some moderation team thinks it is their role to filter spam on behalf of the community and the community gets pissy that they filtered the wrong things. These two extremes are both wrong. Users can filter their own content if given the right tools. BTW, Section 230(d) requires providers notify their customers that parental control protections are commercially available... it puts the onus on the users to solve this for themselves... even way back when that law was written.

I'm going to add a third issue, flooding. That has a content neutral solution: throttling.

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FWIW, I recently found out that AirBnB now requires government id to be shared as verification after not having logged into AirBnB since 2014. I tried to delete my account but the option is not available or may be hidden behind the forced verification requirement.

How dare they try to verify people before allowing them to stay in a complete stranger's home.

It’s not showing your ID that’s invasive, it’s the fact that this is now probably stored on a bunch of different systems and handled sloppily. There is no PCI standard for IDs. Just a super sensitive document loaded with PII that they’ll dump on S3 somewhere because it’s “required for business”.

Don’t worry though, if you request to have it deleted I’m sure they’ll remove the link to the S3 url from their database. :/

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No, it's not. Freedom of speech never came with a freedom from consequences, nor a guarantee to a broadcast platform. You're still free to stand on the corner with a "God hates fags" sign or a "kill democrats" sign.

I am genuinely curious if do you see someone with a sign saying "Kill X" and someone just talking on the internet about undemocratic power change differently? If you see them differently, then why? The acts they are talking about are both crimes. My assumption is that: 1. Not everyone on Parler committed crimes in the physical world - eg. storm the Capitol, so that means that talking about something is not enough to…

Very few to no Taliban members were involved in 9/11, but the US still invaded Afghanistan to kill as many Taliban members as possible.

Americans arent very forgiving to terrorists and terrorist sympathizers, and that applies to parler members just as well as taliban members

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Have you been on twitter lately?

Didn’t Kathy Griffin re-share her bloody beheaded Trump image a couple of months ago on Twitter?

Oh, she beheaded trump a couple monthssss ago? How was he giving speeches? Was it a hologram or something?

Did they see his head back on?

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