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Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

secondcoming wrote: post #385
Broken_Hippo wrote: post #334

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I'm OK with this. Private messages have shared ownership. You weren't sending them to yourself. Yes, there might be identifying information in the content of the messages. Yes, in the majority of cases it wouldn't make a difference. In some minority of cases, though, they would. Abusive ex sending you messages over discord? Yeah, those might be evidence especially when both parties are saying different things. This i…

I send myself messages in Slack all the time so I don't forget something.

This, to me, would be the exception. I'd wager that the majority of messages aren't notes to self, though.

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Post by foepys »

pessimizer wrote: post #397
stef25 wrote: post #377

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GDPR rules (which may not apply to you or Discord, not sure) say a company MUST hard delete a user's data upon request. Except if company can claim to need it, like for invoicing / tax reasons. Seems reasonable.

Are messages that you sent to someone else still your data? If I sent you a letter, a court wouldn't tell you to burn it and any copies on my request.

I'd be with you if each message was end to end encrypted and/or exclusively physically stored on the users devices. But it isn't. It's on Discord's servers.

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Post by clappski »

throwawaysea wrote: post #246
skinnymuch wrote: post #115

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You make such great points! How can any be argued? Also. Insurrection and coup are not the same thing. It was an insurrection. Yea those big tech doing such far left progressive ideals like paying no taxes, dodging all sorts of moral issues, working with another to not poach and lower income. I can’t tell if AOC and Bernie dont run big tech.

How was “it” an insurrection? What is even “it”? Are you talking about the entire group that heard Trump’s speech and marched to the Capitol? Because if so then the vast majority protested peacefully outside the barriers and broke no laws. Are you talking about the ones that trespassed onto the Capitol, because the vast majority broke no laws that leftist groups haven’t in recent years in their own illegal invasions…

I'm not sure that peaceful sit ins are comparable to calling for the deaths of those working in the building that you're currently ransacking, especially after you've murdered one of the security staff.

A group of people violently breaking into the private and protected areas of a government building, conducting physical assaults on security staff and destroying property, looking for the elected officials that work there while carrying cuffs, calling for their deaths and erecting gallows outside - to me that sounds like insurrection (_a violent uprising against an authority or government._).

Your argument is inconsistent, you judge the capitol rioters as individuals:

> Because if so then the vast majority protested peacefully outside the barriers and broke no laws

But all BLM protesters are rioters?:

> Because BLM rioters did that all 2020 and I didn’t hear their acts termed as insurrections.

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by wiremine »

jerrysievert wrote: post #80

> We believe privacy is paramount and free speech essential, especially on social media. this, from their "technical difficulties" notice, should have been enough for him to be fired on its own. requiring some users to provide government identification, building such weak security that anyone can read and archive private messages, and not stripping out damaging meta-data from media posts are three ways to not provide…

> requiring some users to provide government identification, building such weak security that anyone can read and archive private messages, and not stripping out damaging meta-data from media posts are three ways to not provide privacy.

Exactly. They weren't really interested in true privacy or free speech, they were just using those keywords to attract customers.

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Post by mancerayder »

seventytwo wrote: post #188
skynet-9000 wrote: post #126

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As someone who does deeply believe in and care about free speech (from all parties), I could not be in deeper agreement with you. (for non-native English speakers: I fully agree). Parler should not have been de-platformed. That was a clearly partisan act, and the truth would have come out shortly about the company's total lack of care for its users. Say what you will about Gab, but they never pulled any of those stun…

Sorry, but you don’t just get to incubate insurrection without facing societal consequences. You have free speech, but zero freedom from consequence.

>You have free speech, but zero freedom from consequence.

That's about the most Orwellian meme that is making the rounds and needs to be examined critically. Freedom to do a thing implies protection from consequence, or you're not free.

Also there were articles on HN about how the Capitol riots were organized on Facebook.

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Post by Zigurd »

Discussions of right wing social media sites on HN are disturbingly sanitary. Before I posted this comment, the word "racism" appears one time among nearly 400 comments. "White supremacy" appeared only a handful of times. “Woman” or “women” appears nowhere in a discussion of a deeply misogynistic platform, movement, audience.

Just as dark patterns, predatory business models, and enablement of antisocial behavior harm other product domains, Parler incubated a disease that spread to, and diminished the value of, other social media.

If you cannot bring yourself to label bad things with forthright labels, you will not be able to keep them from damaging the value of what you create in technology.

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by bearjaws »

Zigurd wrote: post #406

Discussions of right wing social media sites on HN are disturbingly sanitary. Before I posted this comment, the word "racism" appears one time among nearly 400 comments. "White supremacy" appeared only a handful of times. “Woman” or “women” appears nowhere in a discussion of a deeply misogynistic platform, movement, audience. Just as dark patterns, predatory business models, and enablement of antisocial behavior harm…

HN has a strong libertarian crowd, who would not agree with anything that impacts freedom of speech, even hate speech.

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Post by throwaway19937 »

skynet-9000 wrote: post #146
dralley wrote: post #142

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>"Always abide by your host's AUP." These basically say things like "your users may not use the services to offend others." That's literally impossible to abide by. In fact, it appears to have been a company-ending event in this case, which makes it a devilishly simple attack: post something you know will get everyone worked up, et viola: you just killed a company. The way you're wording this sounds very much like yo…

I'm not sure what you mean by that. I read the AWS response. Nothing there seemed to be much worse than I've seen on Twitter (actually, Twitter stuff was far worse). Regardless, this is besides the point: all a competitor has to do is post some garbage and point to it, and boom, you're dead. That's not ok.

> Nothing there seemed to be much worse than I've seen on Twitter (actually, Twitter stuff was far worse).

https://i.redd.it/om90nwadqca61.png is a Parler post with a racial slur and 25k upvotes. Twitter has its issues but an equivalent comment isn't going to survive two days.

The court documents from their case against Amazon are available at https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/29095511/parler-llc-v-a.... Amazon's declarations contain other examples of content that wouldn't survive on Twitter.

> Regardless, this is besides the point: all a competitor has to do is post some garbage and point to it, and boom, you're dead. That's not ok.

According to https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/29095511/13/parler-llc-... it took several months of moderation problems before AWS dropped Parler as a client. If Parler had done more active moderation and tried harder to keep Amazon happy they'd still be hosted on AWS.

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Post by foepys »

minsc__and__boo wrote: post #319
foepys wrote: post #279

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A GDPR deletion request should be enough for Europeans to get rid of everything.

GDPR isn't a blanket deletion. Organizations can still retain personal information about customers for situations where they deem the data is still necessary for the original purpose. e.g. purchase history, legal agreements, etc.

Not for the original purpose. For legal reasons only and legal reasons are quite narrow. A simple message does not qualify.

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by someguydave »

pvg wrote: post #226
skynet-9000 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who does deeply believe in and care about free speech (from all parties), I could not be in deeper agreement with you. (for non-native English speakers: I fully agree). Parler should not have been de-platformed. That was a clearly partisan act, and the truth would have come out shortly about the company's total lack of care for its users. Say what you will about Gab, but they never pulled any of those stun…

That was a clearly partisan act Asking a customer to stick to the rules they agreed to and eventually ending the business relationship when the customer chooses not to is hardly a 'partisan act'. Parler could have just done what AWS asked (even temporarily, to keep themselves online while looking for alternatives). They didn't.

AWS also did not give Parler any time to cure their problems after making it clear that they wanted to terminate the contract for problematic content.
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