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Russia only really has a problem with speech when it’s against them. People slagging the US is fine by them.

Isn't it exactly the same with US? They would happily host any website critical of Russia's elite.

It is not exactly the same. Being critical of Biden will not get you deplatformed. Supporting insurrections will. Those are not similar.

Please vocalize your argument if you disagree.

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> We believe privacy is paramount and free speech essential, especially on social media. this, from their "technical difficulties" notice, should have been enough for him to be fired on its own. requiring some users to provide government identification, building such weak security that anyone can read and archive private messages, and not stripping out damaging meta-data from media posts are three ways to not provide…

Just make your own website, as long as you've done it before and are intimately familiar with all the dangerous defaults built in to our collective tech. Perhaps they aimed too high too fast (dunno, never even went there), but I just can't bring myself to make beginner-shaming a core pillar of my criticism.

I wouldn’t be comfortable with “beginner shaming” a private blog. But they didn’t set out to create a blog, they set out to create a Twitter competitor. Their negligence is going to get their customers hurt and possibly jailed. I’m very comfortable condemning them for their incompetence.

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As someone who does deeply believe in and care about free speech (from all parties), I could not be in deeper agreement with you. (for non-native English speakers: I fully agree). Parler should not have been de-platformed. That was a clearly partisan act, and the truth would have come out shortly about the company's total lack of care for its users. Say what you will about Gab, but they never pulled any of those stun…

Parler was never a "free speech" platform. This was always a lie, they heavily moderated their content. I've always felt like Parler was just a lazy attempt to make some cash by pulling some users away from Twitter claiming they could do what they want, it was never more or less than that. I'm interested in knowing how you think a real "free speech" platform can actually work, however. We have message boards that do…

Whenever the discussion about Parler being a “free speech” platform comes up, I feel compelled to point out that they banned the DevinNunesCow parody account.

Parler was more than happy to moderate speech, even political speech, as is their right as the platform creator. Their breathless claims about being free speech absolutists is absolute nonsense.

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> We believe privacy is paramount and free speech essential, especially on social media. this, from their "technical difficulties" notice, should have been enough for him to be fired on its own. requiring some users to provide government identification, building such weak security that anyone can read and archive private messages, and not stripping out damaging meta-data from media posts are three ways to not provide…

I do not believe any private posts were archived by the security researcher. From my understanding they were able to access all public posts, including ones that had previously been deleted (which was the bad part).

The other security faux pas was that they did not scrub GPS metadata from images or videos at all.

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Odd dynamic there as unfortunately, standing on principle means getting martyred, and the quote from the former CEO of, “Over the past few months, I’ve met constant resistance to my product vision, my strong belief in free speech and my view of how the Parler site should be managed” is not CEO level strategic. His investors and board hired him to win, not to pick a principled hill to die on. Martyrs are cheap and nob…

> I’ve met constant resistance to my product vision, my strong belief in free speech and my view of how the Parler site should be managed

This is a lie, it’s just a question of whether or not he believes it or if he’s just saying what he needs to say to land another role. Parler moderated all kinds of people off the platform for a variety of reasons, including political speech. Anything they said to the contrary was no more than PR puffery, not reality.

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No, more like most big tech platforms are run by (or willing to cave to) far left progressives who like to censor/deplatform/suppress views that don’t align with their own. Also stop calling it an insurrection. That is incorrect and this looked nothing like an actual coup ( https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/01/06/why-this-wasnt-a-coup-c... ). And making it seem like Parler was full of open calls for violence is just hyp…

You make such great points! How can any be argued? Also. Insurrection and coup are not the same thing. It was an insurrection. Yea those big tech doing such far left progressive ideals like paying no taxes, dodging all sorts of moral issues, working with another to not poach and lower income. I can’t tell if AOC and Bernie dont run big tech.

How was “it” an insurrection? What is even “it”? Are you talking about the entire group that heard Trump’s speech and marched to the Capitol? Because if so then the vast majority protested peacefully outside the barriers and broke no laws. Are you talking about the ones that trespassed onto the Capitol, because the vast majority broke no laws that leftist groups haven’t in recent years in their own illegal invasions of the Capitol*. Are you talking about those that stole things or vandalized things? Because BLM rioters did that all 2020 and I didn’t hear their acts termed as insurrections. And if not them, who or what exactly are you talking about and how did you prove their intent? Maybe you should consider that a few people acting in such a manner is not evidence that either Parler or Trump are responsible for those individuals’ actions.

* Hell, AOC herself participated in one such illegal riot at the Capitol (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...). And since it was in the pursuit of a political goal (the Green New Deal) that makes her political criminality an act of terrorism, by definition.

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As someone who does deeply believe in and care about free speech (from all parties), I could not be in deeper agreement with you. (for non-native English speakers: I fully agree). Parler should not have been de-platformed. That was a clearly partisan act, and the truth would have come out shortly about the company's total lack of care for its users. Say what you will about Gab, but they never pulled any of those stun…

> Parler should not have been de-platformed With this statement you are implying one of two things: * You are very unhappy with AWS for de-platforming them * You think AWS should not have been allowed to do so If it's the first one, well, you are free to treat that however you like. Stop using AWS yourself, especially if you now fear AWS will do this to you. Don't do business with other companies that use AWS -- you…

Telephones, mail, and electricity seem to operate just fine.

Why would it be problematic is web hosting was treated as common civil infrastructure?

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post #164

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Parler was never a "free speech" platform. This was always a lie, they heavily moderated their content. I've always felt like Parler was just a lazy attempt to make some cash by pulling some users away from Twitter claiming they could do what they want, it was never more or less than that. I'm interested in knowing how you think a real "free speech" platform can actually work, however. We have message boards that do…

Precisely - the CEO literally hung out on Discord servers hunting for people to ban on Parler.

I hadn’t heard this one, and can’t find anything about this - can you give some links/pointers to this story so I can learn more about this please?

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As someone who does deeply believe in and care about free speech (from all parties), I could not be in deeper agreement with you. (for non-native English speakers: I fully agree). Parler should not have been de-platformed. That was a clearly partisan act, and the truth would have come out shortly about the company's total lack of care for its users. Say what you will about Gab, but they never pulled any of those stun…

That was a clearly partisan act Asking a customer to stick to the rules they agreed to and eventually ending the business relationship when the customer chooses not to is hardly a 'partisan act'. Parler could have just done what AWS asked (even temporarily, to keep themselves online while looking for alternatives). They didn't.

What, specifically, did AWS ask them to do that they could have done?

From outside appearances, it seems they were given non-specific demands to remedy problems that Twitter has in greater magnitude (eg, Twitter being sued for their hosting of child porn, unremedied).

Picking and choosing how to enforce rules based on political sentiments is a “partisan act”.

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Just make your own website, as long as you've done it before and are intimately familiar with all the dangerous defaults built in to our collective tech. Perhaps they aimed too high too fast (dunno, never even went there), but I just can't bring myself to make beginner-shaming a core pillar of my criticism.

A company founded by billionaires and FAANG engineers, operating for multiple years, and having had millions of users shouldn't be... "Beginner shamed"... for creating services wildly irresponsible with user data? Small or "beginner" web payment companies are required to think more responsibly about user data; the state of Parler in January 2021 was ridiculous and users who were effectively doxxed should be outraged.

This. We should have higher standards to what we will tolerate from beginners.

Teach and guide them to not make things open to the public. Mentor the next gen engineers on security. For god sakes check a jwt claim...

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