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China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly'

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Re: China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly'

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Post by anvandare »

gambiting wrote: post #14
xiphias2 wrote: post #5

It's quite easy to achieve: have women to be manly for. One child policy ruined the life of hundreds of millions of men.

Wait, I thought that was already the effect, no? With men outnumbering women by a good margin, surely men would try to "out-man" each other to find a mate?

You can't really out-man other men like we used to in the old days anymore. (i.e. raid another village, kill the men, take the women)

Nowadays we do things more civilized by posing on social media with gym bods and expensive cars and other displays of sexual fitness. Trying to lure a mate instead of taking one.

Unfortunately, the numbers are what they are: a ~30 million gender imbalance. So however you turn it there's going to be 30 million men without a wife/family no matter what they do. Not a good thing if you want society to remain peaceful.

So they either import more women (via force or promise of a better living standard), or they get rid of the excess men (via war), or they suppress them with heavy policing and entertainment doping until the gender imbalance fades out over the next generation or so.

Re: China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly'

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Post by ginko »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #18
inglor_cz wrote: post #4

Whatever China does lately seems to be tailored to inch its society toward more expansive mode and military values. A lot of nationalism in the curriculum, the "wolf warriors" ideas etc. I do not think they are doing this for shits and giggles. They invest a lot overseas and must be aware that one day, one of their client countries will rebel and will need to be subdued militarily to protect the investments and dissu…

Or more simply and less conspiracist, this is a mix of conservative values, public health (people are less active and fatter), and historical memory of what happened to them in the last 200 years (i.e. they should be able not to take any sh*t and to defend themselves).

Constantly bringing up how your country was wronged 200 years ago is the dictionary definition of nationalism.

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Post by nomdep »

EastToWest wrote: post #30
yorwba wrote: post #20

> last week, the education ministry issued a notice with a title that left no doubt about its ultimate goal. The linked notice is titled 关于政协十三届全国委员会第三次会议第4404号（教育类410号）提案答复的函 教师提案〔2020〕475号 http://www.moe.gov.cn/jyb_xxgk/xxgk_jyta/jyta_jiaoshisi/2021... About the Political Consultative Conference's 13th National Committee's third session, answer to the 4404th proposal (410th on education). Teaching proposal no. 475…

That someone is perhaps a member of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference. I think a close equivalence is an MP in the UK or a congressman / congresswoman / senate in the US. They make proposals on various aspects of life in China. Those proposals aren't official policies. BBC should really have done a better job here. It is also funny to see the top thread a few minutes ago quickly developed into so…

Well, China *must* be stopped, but that has little to do with this piece of lazy reporting.

Re: China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly'

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Post by amelius »

bitlevel wrote: post #23
TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Average testosterone levels have been dropping significantly all around the world, so this policy likely wouldn't be the cause of the feminization of men.

Too much Oestrogen in the water supplies perhaps? https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101208125813.h...

That would only lead to higher oestrogen levels, I suppose.

Re: China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly'

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Post by mytailorisrich »

ginko wrote: post #42
mytailorisrich wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or more simply and less conspiracist, this is a mix of conservative values, public health (people are less active and fatter), and historical memory of what happened to them in the last 200 years (i.e. they should be able not to take any sh*t and to defend themselves).

Constantly bringing up how your country was wronged 200 years ago is the dictionary definition of nationalism.

First, "the last 200 years" is not the same as "200 years ago".

Second, history is what shapes cultures and people's views of the world. You cannot discuss and hope to make sense of what's going on in a country without understanding its history. The BLM movement, arguments about links to slavery, China's international policy, just to name a few, are all stemming directly from events that occurred in the past and continue to have an impact to this day.

And lastly, there is nothing wrong with nationalism when it means defending your own people and sovereignty of your own country. That's what all countries do and in fact is the basis of the existence of countries.

Re: China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly'

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Post by ginko »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #47
ginko wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Constantly bringing up how your country was wronged 200 years ago is the dictionary definition of nationalism.

First, "the last 200 years" is not the same as "200 years ago". Second, history is what shapes cultures and people's views of the world. You cannot discuss and hope to make sense of what's going on in a country without understanding its history. The BLM movement, arguments about links to slavery, China's international policy, just to name a few, are all stemming directly from events that occurred in the past and cont…

>And third, there is nothing wrong with nationalism

Welp, I'm out.

Re: China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly'

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Post by teorema »

Lopiolis wrote: post #25
dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So far we seem to be mostly ignoring this yet-soft development, maybe because the idea of having a Cold War 2.0 with a major industrial power is really uncomfortable. The big question is: what can we do, really? The media in the West are quite frank about what is going on: China is a totalitarian state with all consequences. The politicians, though, seem terrified and bend over backwards in order not to offend the…

There are a lot of things we can do, but that requires the EU, the US and China's neighbors to work together. It requires US to have a vision for countering China's growing sphere of influence. Unfortunately, the US is content to let China grow into the void that the US has left as it abdicates its role as superpower. The EU isn't fit to function as a counterweight to China. I say all this as an EU citizen. For all i…

It's a complex topic, and I sympathize with what you're saying but I think it's less a case of giving up and more of the US trying to benefit off of China's increasing dominance, combined with genuine laissez faire philosophy. I think that's changing now a bit but it's hard to say where it's going, especially in going from Trump to Biden.
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