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China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly'

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I think Xi Jinping has to go. Where he is leading to, no-one truly wants to go.

And then what happens? Someone like him will replace him and the show will go on

This suggests he is representative of the people, or that the people are allowing themselves to be dominated by a strongman.

I don't believe that, any more than I believed that America would just get another Trump, after Trump.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Average testosterone levels have been dropping significantly all around the world, so this policy likely wouldn't be the cause of the feminization of men.

Too much Oestrogen in the water supplies perhaps? https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101208125813.h...

That paper reminds me of Connections by James Burke.

High incomes leads to better spending on food leading to more cattle production leading to more soy use and more dairy consumption, which leads to more intake of oestrogen in water, leading to lower testosterone counts in consumers, leading to lower fertility rates.

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> last week, the education ministry issued a notice with a title that left no doubt about its ultimate goal. The linked notice is titled 关于政协十三届全国委员会第三次会议第4404号(教育类410号)提案答复的函 教师提案〔2020〕475号 http://www.moe.gov.cn/jyb_xxgk/xxgk_jyta/jyta_jiaoshisi/2021... About the Political Consultative Conference's 13th National Committee's third session, answer to the 4404th proposal (410th on education). Teaching proposal no. 475…

That someone is perhaps a member of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference. I think a close equivalence is an MP in the UK or a congressman / congresswoman / senate in the US. They make proposals on various aspects of life in China. Those proposals aren't official policies. BBC should really have done a better job here. It is also funny to see the top thread a few minutes ago quickly developed into so…

The BBC is very quick on jumping to anything that can portray China in a negative light at the moment.

Now, there are many things that do, but a more prudent and balanced approach with more research would serve the BBC well.

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> last week, the education ministry issued a notice with a title that left no doubt about its ultimate goal. The linked notice is titled 关于政协十三届全国委员会第三次会议第4404号(教育类410号)提案答复的函 教师提案〔2020〕475号 http://www.moe.gov.cn/jyb_xxgk/xxgk_jyta/jyta_jiaoshisi/2021... About the Political Consultative Conference's 13th National Committee's third session, answer to the 4404th proposal (410th on education). Teaching proposal no. 475…

That someone is perhaps a member of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference. I think a close equivalence is an MP in the UK or a congressman / congresswoman / senate in the US. They make proposals on various aspects of life in China. Those proposals aren't official policies. BBC should really have done a better job here. It is also funny to see the top thread a few minutes ago quickly developed into so…

Fa Loon Gong pays big bucks if you're willing to sabre rattle for them.

Re: China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly'

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Whatever China does lately seems to be tailored to inch its society toward more expansive mode and military values. A lot of nationalism in the curriculum, the "wolf warriors" ideas etc. I do not think they are doing this for shits and giggles. They invest a lot overseas and must be aware that one day, one of their client countries will rebel and will need to be subdued militarily to protect the investments and dissu…

> Whatever China does lately seems to be

... doing what countries run by a dictator tend to do. I don't think we fully understand how much Xi Jinping has changed the PRC. The Chinese system was already autocratic, but Xi turned it into full-blown dictatorship. There are no balances to his power, there is no limit to his rule, there is no incentive for anyone in China to oppose anything he does or to develop alternative political lines. This situation requires an increasing amount of chest-thumping to justify itself.

> must be aware that one day, one of their client countries will rebel

A lot of these client countries are not even in Asia, and the Chinese have never been "expeditionary". Their force projection is typically limited to their close interests. The PRC leadership has traditionally played the long game, but justifying a dictatorship has costs that must be paid for; Xi needs to show gains in a much more overt way than his predecessors. That's basically what it is. From what I can see, their only major objective is still to get the South-East off American control, and that will be it.

> The question is what is the rest of the world going to do.

You're already seeing it: periodic waves of anti-Chinese action in civilian fields. Full-on cold-war seems fundamentally impossible in a world where most "Western" money effectively runs on items manufactured almost-exclusively in China - which is not just "a major industrial power", it's effectively unique in whole sectors and dominant in others. "We" will continue with the tit-for-tat and occasional offensive like on 5G.

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It's quite easy to achieve: have women to be manly for. One child policy ruined the life of hundreds of millions of men.

Wait, I thought that was already the effect, no? With men outnumbering women by a good margin, surely men would try to "out-man" each other to find a mate?

Financial situation has more weight than how manly a man is.

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> last week, the education ministry issued a notice with a title that left no doubt about its ultimate goal. The linked notice is titled 关于政协十三届全国委员会第三次会议第4404号(教育类410号)提案答复的函 教师提案〔2020〕475号 http://www.moe.gov.cn/jyb_xxgk/xxgk_jyta/jyta_jiaoshisi/2021... About the Political Consultative Conference's 13th National Committee's third session, answer to the 4404th proposal (410th on education). Teaching proposal no. 475…

Anyone who follows main stream entertainment in China and social media would understand these events as a commonly occurring cultural phenomenon (roughly the equivalent of 'masculinity/identity crisis' lately).

Having lived in Europe for more than a decade I however, did find the english title very alarming and worrying, even while reading the same chinese text have no such feeling at all.... language works in different context I suppose...

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> last week, the education ministry issued a notice with a title that left no doubt about its ultimate goal. The linked notice is titled 关于政协十三届全国委员会第三次会议第4404号(教育类410号)提案答复的函 教师提案〔2020〕475号 http://www.moe.gov.cn/jyb_xxgk/xxgk_jyta/jyta_jiaoshisi/2021... About the Political Consultative Conference's 13th National Committee's third session, answer to the 4404th proposal (410th on education). Teaching proposal no. 475…

Anyone who follows main stream entertainment in China and social media would understand these events as a commonly occurring cultural phenomenon (roughly the equivalent of 'masculinity/identity crisis' lately). Having lived in Europe for more than a decade I however, did find the english title very alarming and worrying, even while reading the same chinese text have no such feeling at all.... language works in differ…

Two things to note here, first that this isn't really different to any other part of the world. There's always some concern about feminisation of men by (usually) older people who had a rough childhood in the war or something and now project their ideals onto others.

The other thing to note, although its not particularly interesting, is that there's going to be a media bias against china from the west in general.

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