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Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by syshum »

motohagiography wrote: post #62

Odd dynamic there as unfortunately, standing on principle means getting martyred, and the quote from the former CEO of, “Over the past few months, I’ve met constant resistance to my product vision, my strong belief in free speech and my view of how the Parler site should be managed” is not CEO level strategic. His investors and board hired him to win, not to pick a principled hill to die on. Martyrs are cheap and nob…

>> Parler positioned itself as less radical than Gab .. How can 4chan, Gab, and the even darker parts of the internet manage to persist online

Some of it has do with the fact that when it comes to political speech you can not be moderate.

if you do you fall lock step in with one of the extreme's you painted by both extremes as the other...

For example many times, in the same conversation or talking about the same topic with different groups I have been called a Socialist, Commie, Nazi White Supremacist, racist, etc...

Political extremism seems to be the only political conversation left on the internet, this goes for both the "left" and the "right"

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Post by jariel »

jerrysievert wrote: post #80

> We believe privacy is paramount and free speech essential, especially on social media. this, from their "technical difficulties" notice, should have been enough for him to be fired on its own. requiring some users to provide government identification, building such weak security that anyone can read and archive private messages, and not stripping out damaging meta-data from media posts are three ways to not provide…

I don't think it's quite right.

People on HN are so much into 'technical' issues.

The notion 'The CEO must be fired' because he allows messages to be saved but the mission is privacy - is far too getting hung up on technicalities.

What the Parler CEO essentially wanted was a free and open platform, free from general intrusion.

That's it.

It's not a Singal, or Telegram - it's not about Snowden level security.

CEO's say all sorts of things all the time that are arguably inconsistent with the details of their reality, that's not a new phenom.

He's essentially saying he wants a WhatsApp/Twitter/Signal type platform, where people aren't blocked for arbitrary reasons.

He's not making statements about protection against state level actors.

And Parler does moderate anyhow.

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Post by johnisgood »

judge2020 wrote: post #293
johnisgood wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is so typical. My experience with Discord: I need to login to my account to be able to delete it, except what if I cannot log into it?! At first they disabled it, then I e-mailed them requesting them to delete my account, but all they did was a soft-delete, of course. All of the private messages are still there, etc. Even if I were to delete my account myself, it would still leave all my messages intact. I guess…

https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/360004066391-H... If you disabled the account yourself, then you should be able to recover it and then press the delete button yourself. If it was disabled for a TOS violation or for legal reasons then they might have a gdpr exemption to deleting the data[0] (NAL). As for messages, those aren’t deleted - while this might be legal (anonymization is seen as compliant with t…

I used ICO and their templates (I think it was ICO) more or less, but Discord did not care. They just disabled my account, but did not delete my messages.

I use https://github.com/victornpb/deleteDiscordMessages, yeah. :)

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Post by jariel »

jimmydorry wrote: post #2

Not surprising, when your first and foremost duty as the headhoncho should be doing what you can to keep your site online. It's been almost a month that the site has been down for now. Yes, an outage should be expected when you get deplatformed at a network level... however they could not put up anything more than a status page in this time.

Imagine how many little SaaS services they depend on dumped them for spite.

I don't care about Parler, but this is getting bad. Voted for that angry guy? Sorry, you're off my Contact Management platform and your business is frozen, while you try to recoup from being booted from those 12 other services.

I think some regulation is probably in need.

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Post by philliphaydon »

paxys wrote: post #266
judge2020 wrote: post #160

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Their actual hardware requirements: https://twitter.com/GreggHoush/status/1351923104403116032?s=... I have a hard time this is their actual needs in terms of servers - their video ingest pipeline sounded like it was just throwing videos on s3, and it didn't look like they were doing any transcoding at all (plus not removing photo or video metadata). 73tb of ram for distributed pgsql also sounds excessive.

This list is ridiculous. It's probably someone entering a wishlist on a calculator to check the price (or a wildly optimistic 5 year forecast) vs actual requirements.

When I read it my first thought was: "damn no one wants to host them they are trying to convince someone to host them by having a huge invoice"

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Post by koheripbal »

kortilla wrote: post #298
seattle_spring wrote: post #272

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How dare they try to verify people before allowing them to stay in a complete stranger's home.

It’s not showing your ID that’s invasive, it’s the fact that this is now probably stored on a bunch of different systems and handled sloppily. There is no PCI standard for IDs. Just a super sensitive document loaded with PII that they’ll dump on S3 somewhere because it’s “required for business”. Don’t worry though, if you request to have it deleted I’m sure they’ll remove the link to the S3 url from their database. :…

> it’s the fact that this is now *probably* stored on a bunch of different systems and handled sloppily.

It is not logical to both present something as FACT and then also admit it is speculation.

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Post by pessimizer »

stef25 wrote: post #377
johnisgood wrote: post #338

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Well, I thought they would delete them after having requested it, but they did not. In any case, there is a feature on Discord: I can delete messages (for everyone). So as long as I can log in to Discord, I can delete messages. I doubt they actually get deleted though, probably just changes its visibility, but in any case... why would not they do that if I could do it anyway were I to be able to log in?

GDPR rules (which may not apply to you or Discord, not sure) say a company MUST hard delete a user's data upon request. Except if company can claim to need it, like for invoicing / tax reasons. Seems reasonable.

Are messages that you sent to someone else still your data? If I sent you a letter, a court wouldn't tell you to burn it and any copies on my request.

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Post by dfxm12 »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #383
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #362

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No idea why this is being downvoted, because it's correct. You can't publish letters without permission. This has been tested in court many times. What you can do is sell the physical object. That belongs to you. You can also burn it or destroy it - which is an interesting edge case. This really comes down to different kinds of ownership. The whole point of copyright is that creative/cultural/intellectual property ri…

Am I correct in assuming that uploading it online for others to see or displaying it for personal non commercial use would be covered under the Fair Use Doctrine? Also, how does it work if a whistleblower gives a journalist letters that they received from someone else? Is the journalist not allowed to publish them in an article?

If a case comes up in the whistleblower situation, the journalist will claim fair use as a defense. It will be up to the court to decide if it is a legitimate defense. It likely will be.

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Post by pessimizer »

Dirlewanger wrote: post #364
kortilla wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not showing your ID that’s invasive, it’s the fact that this is now probably stored on a bunch of different systems and handled sloppily. There is no PCI standard for IDs. Just a super sensitive document loaded with PII that they’ll dump on S3 somewhere because it’s “required for business”. Don’t worry though, if you request to have it deleted I’m sure they’ll remove the link to the S3 url from their database. :…

Not Airbnb's fault, this is a failure of government and of the people for continuously voting in inept representatives.

It's odd that a hypothetical practice of AirBnB would be every single person's fault on the planet other than the people at AirBnB.

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Post by taneq »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #339
pmontra wrote: post #330

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If I send you a paper mail, you keep it and your descendants could read it in 2121. Of course you own it and they will own it. If I send you an email, same thing, if it survives for such a long time. Does Google/any ISP also own it? If I send you a SMS, same thing, I bet it won't survive. Does the phone company also own it? If I write you on a social network, do you and I own the message or does the social network ow…

> Of course you own it and they will own it. While the receiver of a letter on paper certainly owns the letter she doesn't own its contents. The copyright of the letter remains with the author. So you can frame the letter and hang it on your wall you violate the authors copyright if you publish it without authorization.

True if you do it within the copyright period, however I'd imagine that (barring further Disney shenanigans) by 2121 the author's copyright would have expired and it would be in the public domain.
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