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Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by ArnoVW »

johnisgood wrote: post #260
newman314 wrote: post #253

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FWIW, I recently found out that AirBnB now requires government id to be shared as verification after not having logged into AirBnB since 2014. I tried to delete my account but the option is not available or may be hidden behind the forced verification requirement.

That is so typical. My experience with Discord: I need to login to my account to be able to delete it, except what if I cannot log into it?! At first they disabled it, then I e-mailed them requesting them to delete my account, but all they did was a soft-delete, of course. All of the private messages are still there, etc. Even if I were to delete my account myself, it would still leave all my messages intact. I guess…

Just in case you are European: you can frame this as a GDPR issue. Send a mail to their Data Protection Officer (often dpo@doman.com) asking to exercise your right to correct and delete any personally identifiable data they retain about you.

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by johnisgood »

anticensor wrote: post #350
johnisgood wrote: post #338

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Well, I thought they would delete them after having requested it, but they did not. In any case, there is a feature on Discord: I can delete messages (for everyone). So as long as I can log in to Discord, I can delete messages. I doubt they actually get deleted though, probably just changes its visibility, but in any case... why would not they do that if I could do it anyway were I to be able to log in?

> I doubt they actually get deleted though, probably just changes its visibility They are actually deleted, unlike many other platforms. If not, the problem described here would not arise in the first place: https://blog.discord.com/how-discord-stores-billions-of-mess...

Yeah, I am not leaning towards either way stubbornly, I am open minded about it, I just know that many places really only just changes the visibility. In any case, thank you for the link!

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Post by rodgerd »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #163
jerrysievert wrote: post #80

> We believe privacy is paramount and free speech essential, especially on social media. this, from their "technical difficulties" notice, should have been enough for him to be fired on its own. requiring some users to provide government identification, building such weak security that anyone can read and archive private messages, and not stripping out damaging meta-data from media posts are three ways to not provide…

When Parler praises "free speech" they're really just using that as a cover for running a cheap Twitter clone with no investment in moderation. They exist to extract profit with minimum overhead.

No, it's a cover they're using for pushing the extreme-right agenda of the Mercer family (Brietbart, Cambridge Analytica, etc).

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Post by Veen »

oaiey wrote: post #271
johnisgood wrote: post #260

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That is so typical. My experience with Discord: I need to login to my account to be able to delete it, except what if I cannot log into it?! At first they disabled it, then I e-mailed them requesting them to delete my account, but all they did was a soft-delete, of course. All of the private messages are still there, etc. Even if I were to delete my account myself, it would still leave all my messages intact. I guess…

Who owns the message? The sender or receiver? That is a question that bugs me once in a while.

The sender owns the copyright, but there is always language in the platform’s TOS to grant them a worldwide licence to do as they please with content shared on their service.

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Post by latch »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #326
latch wrote: post #277

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> I wonder if the reason why they turn into toxic cesspools is precisely because the only people who use free speech platforms are the people who were kicked off the others You don't have to wonder, we've seen this time and time again with virtually every open community. Without tireless moderation, the swamp grows. In other words, the majority of people who use free speech platforms have already answered your questi…

You're not actually answering the question. Suppose that the dominant platforms (e.g. Facebook) are not free speech platforms. They boot off a hundred thousand people. 10% of them actually deserved it and are militant jackasses who ruin everything. Now someone else creates a "free speech" platform. Everybody is allowed in. Well, 80% of the initial users are going to be a subset of the ones who got kicked off of the i…

I did answer, because the internet started off as your proposed experiment. It didn't work. They didn't get diluted, they just got louder, circumvented, harassed and escalated. They aren't accidentally toxic, they are actively / aggressively toxic.

Moderation didn't come before toxicity it came in response to it. Therefore, moderation doesn't cause / focus toxicity.

If you want to address this, you need to look at education.

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Post by rodgerd »

Fogest wrote: post #312
dannyw wrote: post #303

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Free legal speech usually stays online. It will be deplatformed from mobile stores, but even Cloudflare protects the reincarnation of TheDonald (patriots.win). Parler, OTOH, constantly had threats of harm to elected representatives, or just democrats in general.

Cloudflare even supports sites like thepiratebay if I recall correctly. It does make me respect them more and makes me happy to do business with them.

CloudFlare has supported sites with child pornography (8chan) and neo-Nazis.

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Post by CodesInChaos »

craz8 wrote: post #280
johnisgood wrote: post #260

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That is so typical. My experience with Discord: I need to login to my account to be able to delete it, except what if I cannot log into it?! At first they disabled it, then I e-mailed them requesting them to delete my account, but all they did was a soft-delete, of course. All of the private messages are still there, etc. Even if I were to delete my account myself, it would still leave all my messages intact. I guess…

I’ve implemented email blocking recently where we stored a secure hash of the blocked email so we know we’ve seen it, but we don’t have it stored. So it is possible to do that correctly Discord probably doesn’t do that though

Hashing is better than storing it in the clear, but many email addresses have too low entropy to make hashing an effective anonymization.

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Post by wp381640 »

watwut wrote: post #281
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #163

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When Parler praises "free speech" they're really just using that as a cover for running a cheap Twitter clone with no investment in moderation. They exist to extract profit with minimum overhead.

They had moderation. They were not free speech as in "any ideology of opinion goes". They were "arbitrary radical right wing speech goes". Free speech would mean aggressive communists could participate freely too. It was not the case, anything left was cut away. Their moderation was to show post to 5 users and go with their decision. It was guaranteed to create bubble. We should not use "free speech" as euphemism for…

Absolutely. They aggressively removed adult and blasphemous content

If anything it was less free speech than Twitter

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Post by rriepe »

throwaway3699 wrote: post #346
rriepe wrote: post #16

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At least we have you here to bravely speak out against the new hate regime with your throwaway account.

I get you, I just already had people try to come after my job because I was complaining in public...

Yeah I regret the snark. Stay safe/employed.

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by aaron695 »

Very childish comments so far even for HN.

The simultaneous attack from Google, Apple and Amazon was unprecedented. It should not have been planned for. The PirateBay for instance was slowly attacked at expected places with lots of warnings over years.

The security issues were meh compared to other security breaches and even then normally no one would even care a few days later. Metadata was not removed for baby users and something published but deleted was still around....

Wasn't well moderated, back to children who weren't around on all the big sites at the the beginning. Youtube, Reddit, Twitter.

The fact HN thinks this is all normal, that's scary.

He was fired due to a war from a section of the population who didn't want any speech from that site online. Pick your reality I guess.

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