Parler CEO says he was fired by board • Hacker News Board

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by endless1234 » Thu, Feb 04, 2021, 8:03 AM UTC

johnisgood wrote: post #260

newman314 wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, I recently found out that AirBnB now requires government id to be shared as verification after not having logged into AirBnB since 2014. I tried to delete my account but the option is not available or may be hidden behind the forced verification requirement.

That is so typical. My experience with Discord: I need to login to my account to be able to delete it, except what if I cannot log into it?! At first they disabled it, then I e-mailed them requesting them to delete my account, but all they did was a soft-delete, of course. All of the private messages are still there, etc. Even if I were to delete my account myself, it would still leave all my messages intact. I guess…

Why should an account delete remove private messages from others? If you delete your account at your cellphone cartier, should it remove text messages you've sent from everybody's phones?

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by Fogest » Thu, Feb 04, 2021, 8:06 AM UTC

dannyw wrote: post #303

motohagiography wrote: post #62

Odd dynamic there as unfortunately, standing on principle means getting martyred, and the quote from the former CEO of, “Over the past few months, I’ve met constant resistance to my product vision, my strong belief in free speech and my view of how the Parler site should be managed” is not CEO level strategic. His investors and board hired him to win, not to pick a principled hill to die on. Martyrs are cheap and nob…

Free legal speech usually stays online. It will be deplatformed from mobile stores, but even Cloudflare protects the reincarnation of TheDonald (patriots.win). Parler, OTOH, constantly had threats of harm to elected representatives, or just democrats in general.

Cloudflare even supports sites like thepiratebay if I recall correctly. It does make me respect them more and makes me happy to do business with them.

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by remus » Thu, Feb 04, 2021, 8:07 AM UTC

foepys wrote: post #279

johnisgood wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is so typical. My experience with Discord: I need to login to my account to be able to delete it, except what if I cannot log into it?! At first they disabled it, then I e-mailed them requesting them to delete my account, but all they did was a soft-delete, of course. All of the private messages are still there, etc. Even if I were to delete my account myself, it would still leave all my messages intact. I guess…

A GDPR deletion request should be enough for Europeans to get rid of everything.

While it is a useful tool for users there are exemptions for the company. For example, if your account details have been requested as evidence in a trial then the company should not delete your account under a GDPR request.

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by freebuju » Thu, Feb 04, 2021, 8:07 AM UTC

newman314 wrote: post #253

jerrysievert wrote: post #80

> We believe privacy is paramount and free speech essential, especially on social media. this, from their "technical difficulties" notice, should have been enough for him to be fired on its own. requiring some users to provide government identification, building such weak security that anyone can read and archive private messages, and not stripping out damaging meta-data from media posts are three ways to not provide…

FWIW, I recently found out that AirBnB now requires government id to be shared as verification after not having logged into AirBnB since 2014. I tried to delete my account but the option is not available or may be hidden behind the forced verification requirement.

Same thing I have with Twitter. Won't let me login until I send them my gov id ala nudes (no chance in hell of me doing that) so I can't even delete the stupid account.

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by minsc__and__boo » Thu, Feb 04, 2021, 8:07 AM UTC

oaiey wrote: post #271

johnisgood wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is so typical. My experience with Discord: I need to login to my account to be able to delete it, except what if I cannot log into it?! At first they disabled it, then I e-mailed them requesting them to delete my account, but all they did was a soft-delete, of course. All of the private messages are still there, etc. Even if I were to delete my account myself, it would still leave all my messages intact. I guess…

Who owns the message? The sender or receiver? That is a question that bugs me once in a while.

I always thought removing the sender identification was a good middle ground.

i.e. John Does said, "Hello world" -> [Removed] said, "Hello world"

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by throwaway81523 » Thu, Feb 04, 2021, 8:09 AM UTC

echelon wrote: post #198

bbreier wrote: post #159

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AWS is not a common carrier

At their size, they sure seem like it. What happens when AWS and Azure design their own silicon, outstrip other hosting providers, and then become the only hosts on the internet? Are they common carriers then?

Common carriers are regulated entities like shipping companies and telecoms. You get to be one through a huge amount of bureaucracy, negotiation with regulators, etc. It protects you from a lot of liability but also creates a lot of constraints on what you can do, what you can charge, etc. Either way, you don't just wake up one morning and discover that your company has become one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_carrier

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by endless1234 » Thu, Feb 04, 2021, 8:11 AM UTC

Fogest wrote: post #310

simonh wrote: post #304

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I think this is spot on, when you post something to a communications platform you are publishing content. How can there be any expectation you can then un-publish it? Consider this in the context of bullying or shaming, should someone who sends me an abusive message have the ability to delete all trace of it afterwards?

There is nothing more frustrating than searching for information on old reddit threads and seeing that some useful comment that used to be there is gone because the user nuked all their comments via a script. I understand the privacy reasons but at the same time it does ruin a lot of content on sites and can force people to repost old questions to get the answers again.

This indeed sucks, but it would be pretty easy to fix. Just allow your nickname to be deleted for old posts automatically. I don't think individual posts' privacy is what people are usually worried about, but the possibility of getting "doxed" when given an easy way to view all of their previous messages.

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by pepa65 » Thu, Feb 04, 2021, 8:11 AM UTC

jamesponddotco wrote: post #50

klodolph wrote: post #23

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They had a backup plan for getting kicked off AWS, supposedly, but the backup plan terminated their relationship with Parler before AWS did. I can imagine Parler also might have some problems attracting the kind of talent needed to run a site like that.

> They had a backup plan for getting kicked off AWS, supposedly. As the saying goes, "one backup is zero backups."

We have a similar saying in my country: One backup is no backup, two backups are a half backup, and three backups are a full backup!

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by minsc__and__boo » Thu, Feb 04, 2021, 8:12 AM UTC

foepys wrote: post #279

johnisgood wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is so typical. My experience with Discord: I need to login to my account to be able to delete it, except what if I cannot log into it?! At first they disabled it, then I e-mailed them requesting them to delete my account, but all they did was a soft-delete, of course. All of the private messages are still there, etc. Even if I were to delete my account myself, it would still leave all my messages intact. I guess…

A GDPR deletion request should be enough for Europeans to get rid of everything.

GDPR isn't a blanket deletion. Organizations can still retain personal information about customers for situations where they deem the data is still necessary for the original purpose.

e.g. purchase history, legal agreements, etc.

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by minsc__and__boo » Thu, Feb 04, 2021, 8:15 AM UTC

Fogest wrote: post #312

dannyw wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free legal speech usually stays online. It will be deplatformed from mobile stores, but even Cloudflare protects the reincarnation of TheDonald (patriots.win). Parler, OTOH, constantly had threats of harm to elected representatives, or just democrats in general.

Cloudflare even supports sites like thepiratebay if I recall correctly. It does make me respect them more and makes me happy to do business with them.

Piratebay is just hosting the magnet links, right? That's not infringing copyright IIRC.