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Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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Post by meheleventyone »

tolbish wrote: post #239
echelon wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At their size, they sure seem like it. What happens when AWS and Azure design their own silicon, outstrip other hosting providers, and then become the only hosts on the internet? Are they common carriers then?

What does "outstrip" even mean? Physically ripping the silicon out from the servers in your garage?

It means overtake or outcompete. In this case they’re saying that the big cloud hosting providers could end up in a monopoly like position that smaller companies couldn’t compete with if they developed their own superior server tech.

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Post by bialpio »

drstewart wrote: post #121
seabrookmx wrote: post #72

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Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter all had moderation (whether its effective is another debate). It's hardly an apples-to-apples co.parison with Parler.

>whether its effective is another debate Why?

For one thing, they have agreements between whoever provides them service, and if they have not been taken down, it means their business partners feel that they uphold their end of the bargain. Or they run their own infra so they only answer to themselves.

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Post by lavishlatern »

newman314 wrote: post #253
jerrysievert wrote: post #80

> We believe privacy is paramount and free speech essential, especially on social media. this, from their "technical difficulties" notice, should have been enough for him to be fired on its own. requiring some users to provide government identification, building such weak security that anyone can read and archive private messages, and not stripping out damaging meta-data from media posts are three ways to not provide…

FWIW, I recently found out that AirBnB now requires government id to be shared as verification after not having logged into AirBnB since 2014. I tried to delete my account but the option is not available or may be hidden behind the forced verification requirement.

Pretty much all hotel chains require ID these days, even if you're paying with cash. There are also some state and local ordinances that require hotels to take ID of guests, so I doubt it's Airbnb's choice to do this.

Deletion is another matter though.

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Post by NegativeLatency »

tehjoker wrote: post #173
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #163

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When Parler praises "free speech" they're really just using that as a cover for running a cheap Twitter clone with no investment in moderation. They exist to extract profit with minimum overhead.

I know moderation is expensive, but how much of a cost is it to Twitter on the scale of their various expenses? Is Parler's idea a reasonable cost savings from a business perspective?

Seems like some of the appeal was the lack of moderation

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Post by wellthisisgreat »

How can people fall for this trap of discussing Parler incident as a transgression of free speech? It was a vile specialized platform that fostered very particular anti-social, frequently murderous behavior. They had plenty of time to prove otherwise and they clearly did not care or did not want to.

Now they poison the actually good idea of free speech with their infantile appeal. In theory and in practice they are on the wrong side of history and everyone involved is less and less redeemable as they try to flip the situation and present themselves as victims of oppression.

Sure bad apples / users exist but calls for violence on Parler were systemic and we have proof now.

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Post by paxys »

judge2020 wrote: post #160
wmf wrote: post #111

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It's more like 200-300 servers which would take months even to buy, let alone actually installing them.

Their actual hardware requirements: https://twitter.com/GreggHoush/status/1351923104403116032?s=... I have a hard time this is their actual needs in terms of servers - their video ingest pipeline sounded like it was just throwing videos on s3, and it didn't look like they were doing any transcoding at all (plus not removing photo or video metadata). 73tb of ram for distributed pgsql also sounds excessive.

This list is ridiculous. It's probably someone entering a wishlist on a calculator to check the price (or a wildly optimistic 5 year forecast) vs actual requirements.

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Post by tpetry »

judge2020 wrote: post #160
wmf wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's more like 200-300 servers which would take months even to buy, let alone actually installing them.

Their actual hardware requirements: https://twitter.com/GreggHoush/status/1351923104403116032?s=... I have a hard time this is their actual needs in terms of servers - their video ingest pipeline sounded like it was just throwing videos on s3, and it didn't look like they were doing any transcoding at all (plus not removing photo or video metadata). 73tb of ram for distributed pgsql also sounds excessive.

Wow, that are really high requirements. Stackoverflow was able to operate on a lot less servers in 2016, they had e.g. only 4 database servers.

Is there any analysis why parler did have such high requirements? Or what they did exactly to have such a high bandwidth?

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Post by paxys »

pocw wrote: post #48
babelfish wrote: post #29

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Most Silicon Valley darlings run disaster recovery exercises simulating setting up a datacenter from scratch in less than 24 hours (not that Parler should be compared to any of these companies, clearly)

Yeah but that usually means switching from AWS to GCP not, build a data center from scratch oh and by the way nobody from electricians to truckers will work with you because your platform was used to plan a violent attack on America.

They don't have to build a data center from scratch. Plenty of hosting providers (yes even "cloud" ones) in the country or outside it would take their business in an instant.

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Post by dleslie »

skynet-9000 wrote: post #126
jerrysievert wrote: post #80

> We believe privacy is paramount and free speech essential, especially on social media. this, from their "technical difficulties" notice, should have been enough for him to be fired on its own. requiring some users to provide government identification, building such weak security that anyone can read and archive private messages, and not stripping out damaging meta-data from media posts are three ways to not provide…

As someone who does deeply believe in and care about free speech (from all parties), I could not be in deeper agreement with you. (for non-native English speakers: I fully agree). Parler should not have been de-platformed. That was a clearly partisan act, and the truth would have come out shortly about the company's total lack of care for its users. Say what you will about Gab, but they never pulled any of those stun…

If you stand for freedom of speech then you must stand for freedom of association; as "I stand with you" is a declaration of support. Speech isn't only vocal, it is all communication.

Services that chose not to host Parler were exercising their freedom of association; they were _communicating_ that they did not wish to support Parler.

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Post by paxys »

drummer wrote: post #53

Looks like free speech won't be returning to Parler. No use putting the site back up if basic principles are abandoned.

Implying Parlor ever had free speech. Their CEO would literally check other accounts (e.g. Discord) of Parler users and ban them if they came across as too liberal.
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