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Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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No, it's not. Freedom of speech never came with a freedom from consequences, nor a guarantee to a broadcast platform. You're still free to stand on the corner with a "God hates fags" sign or a "kill democrats" sign.

Even my extremely liberal anti-bias training tells me diverse points of view are healthy. What ever happened to sticks and stones bla bla? The power of twitter is unprecedented. Laws are out of date and it seems folks are hiding behind this fact to justify their own biased beliefs. Silencing opinion creates extremists.

It seems to me that there has a just been a giant experiment that has disproven that point of view. When it comes to extremism, at least in the early 21st century, sunlight seems to be a fertilizer not a disinfectant.

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As someone who does deeply believe in and care about free speech (from all parties), I could not be in deeper agreement with you. (for non-native English speakers: I fully agree). Parler should not have been de-platformed. That was a clearly partisan act, and the truth would have come out shortly about the company's total lack of care for its users. Say what you will about Gab, but they never pulled any of those stun…

Parler was never a "free speech" platform. This was always a lie, they heavily moderated their content. I've always felt like Parler was just a lazy attempt to make some cash by pulling some users away from Twitter claiming they could do what they want, it was never more or less than that. I'm interested in knowing how you think a real "free speech" platform can actually work, however. We have message boards that do…

Precisely - the CEO literally hung out on Discord servers hunting for people to ban on Parler.

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> We believe privacy is paramount and free speech essential, especially on social media. this, from their "technical difficulties" notice, should have been enough for him to be fired on its own. requiring some users to provide government identification, building such weak security that anyone can read and archive private messages, and not stripping out damaging meta-data from media posts are three ways to not provide…

When Parler praises "free speech" they're really just using that as a cover for running a cheap Twitter clone with no investment in moderation. They exist to extract profit with minimum overhead.

I know moderation is expensive, but how much of a cost is it to Twitter on the scale of their various expenses? Is Parler's idea a reasonable cost savings from a business perspective?

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> They had a backup plan for getting kicked off AWS, supposedly. As the saying goes, "one backup is zero backups."

is this induction, but in opposite direction? N+1 backup is N backup 1 backup is 0 backup

"Two is one and one is none."

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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As someone who does deeply believe in and care about free speech (from all parties), I could not be in deeper agreement with you. (for non-native English speakers: I fully agree). Parler should not have been de-platformed. That was a clearly partisan act, and the truth would have come out shortly about the company's total lack of care for its users. Say what you will about Gab, but they never pulled any of those stun…

Parler was never a "free speech" platform. This was always a lie, they heavily moderated their content. I've always felt like Parler was just a lazy attempt to make some cash by pulling some users away from Twitter claiming they could do what they want, it was never more or less than that. I'm interested in knowing how you think a real "free speech" platform can actually work, however. We have message boards that do…

>Parler was never a "free speech" platform. This was always a lie, they heavily moderated their content.

I assume you’re just spreading what you’ve read in liberal news about Parler, without having used the app yourself.

Because the reality is, if the users didn’t like the post or comment, they simply downvoted it until it was buried. Even r/politics and HN does the same thing with their downvote option. If multiple users flag a post, then it went into Parler’s review, just-like-Hacker-News.

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I'm not talking about cost. I'm saying that surviving deplatforming is much more difficult than armchair orange website architects seem to acknowledge.

Yeah except you did talk about cost. Cost is not the issue here. > surviving deplatforming is much more difficult than armchair orange website architects seem to acknowledge. Somehow the internet is full of websites (some of which probably had much higher traffic) that did just fine though

I do agree with parent that this is an interesting political hypotheical though. There was so much media focus on Parler for a while and ultimately AWS was exonerated as the good guy in the mainstream narrative.

If Parler had self-hosted, would the potential wrath of the media just have turned to their upstream telco or whoever instead of AWS?

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> Amazon shouldn't be making these decisions, and certainly not without giving the other party ample time to make other arrangements Amazon is still working with Parler to export their data off of AWS. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/johnpaczkowski/amazon-p... > We will ensure that all of your data is preserved for you to migrate to your own servers, and will work with you as best as we can to help your migratio…

Taking the services entirely offline then giving them a few weeks to access archived data does not entirely cover the definition of (at least in my opinion): > not without giving the other party ample time to make other arrangements Going entirely offline like that can easily destroy a web business. Or at a minimum seriously harm them. Not to say I care much for Parler's technical nor administrative approach to provi…

Why aren't you hosting them?

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Like Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter? Parler was a scapegoat to deflect attention from the rest of this category of software.

Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter all had moderation (whether its effective is another debate). It's hardly an apples-to-apples co.parison with Parler.

Parler had moderation too. The difference is that Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter's moderation lean left, and Parler's leaned right.

Re: Parler CEO says he was fired by board

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>Regardless, this is besides the point: all a competitor has to do is post some garbage and point to it, and boom, you're dead. That's not ok. In this case, they pointed to it weeks prior and it wasn't removed.

Amazon claims this, and Parler disputes that this was brought to their attention. (it's not easy to ramp up moderation overnight -- and FB/Twitter have consistently had far worse, even with far larger moderation teams.)

Doing just easy things isn't much of a business model.

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This is why you should build for bare metal. It's fine to use k8s and containers, but don't lock yourself into Lambda, SQS, etc. You should be able to spin up anywhere.

If Parler did that, how does that affect their time to market? Their ability to scale with growth? Maybe if they did that, they would still be operating, because they would have never hit critical mass to the point where anyone cared about Parler.

They may even have built effective moderation tools, instead of having a backlog of 26,000 requests!
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