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JaaS: The team that builds Jitsi can now also run it for you

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Re: JaaS: The team that builds Jitsi can now also run it for you

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> It’s crazy that I’m 2021 we don’t have video calling that isn’t a ginormous performance hog It sure is. On the other hand, the big tech companies did not view video calls as a critical use case until ~9 months ago. You can see this in how much Chrome has improved in its last 3 releases. A year ago, you could play ~15 videos simultaneously in a page on Chrome before . Now, on the same machine, you can play >50. This…

Thank you for the detailed reply. On the one hand, yes, it's a hard problem, on the other hand, if you think about how much a modern video game does 60 times per second, it's not that hard anymore. That said I agree with a lot of your points and I totally get why it is this way. It's just sad that it's mainly due to business reasons. I think part of it that video conferencing is too cheap/free. It's just a bad busine…

> On the one hand, yes, it's a hard problem, on the other hand, if you think about how much a modern video game does 60 times per second, it's not that hard anymore.

Agreed! Modern GPUs are amazing, as is the software stack on top of them. (Crufty, fragile, maddening, inconsistent ... and amazing.)

For the next-gen needs of video calling, some combination of Nvidia, Apple, Intel, Arm, Microsoft, Google, codec IP owners, and a bunch of mobile chipset manufacturers are going to have to agree on a bunch of stuff. That never happens in a logical, straightforward way.

For the past 10 years Nvidia has been betting that a really big chunk of their future growth will come from powering machine learning applications of all kinds. They're probably ... right? (I mean, I have no idea.) But as someone who cares a lot about video and only intramurally about machine learning, I find that frustrating. There's a lot of relatively low-hanging fruit, from a technical perspective, in hardware codec support.

Re: JaaS: The team that builds Jitsi can now also run it for you

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Jitsi is great and we've been using it for some time. We switched from a custom WebRTC because error handling becomes too complex with browser permissions and connection. It does work much better, however there are still a few times that video just doesn't work, with no way to debug why

Would love to hear more about those problems. Have you opened GH issues / community posts?

Mostly some clients not connecting, just a blank screen. No error message available

I havent been able to reproduce yet

Re: JaaS: The team that builds Jitsi can now also run it for you

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Pricing for real-time video is hard. There are pretty large variable costs to run a service like this. WebRTC is peer-to-peer, architecturally. But if you run the service you pay for bandwidth for users behind firewalls (because you need to forward the audio/video through TURN servers) and for calls with more than 3 or 4 people (because you need to offload some of the cpu/bandwidth from the clients). Bandwidth and me…

Just wanted to say that daily.co was crucial to my company during the early months of the lockdown. We had a fully integrated telehealth option deployed for our users in a weekend. You all are amazing!

Same here :) best solution all around. Easy/quick to implement and affordable

Re: JaaS: The team that builds Jitsi can now also run it for you

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Hi saghul, thanks for dropping by. We’re currently running self-hosted Jitsi Meet in production and have been very happy with performance - particularly stability. We would however be interested in switching to JaaS as we’d like to get away from managing our own infra and just host a landing page through, e.g., NextJS on Vercel, with a JaaS iFrame. The landing page mentions deep customisation but when clicking throug…

> We would however be interested in switching to JaaS as we’d like to get away from managing our own infra and just host a landing page through, e.g., NextJS on Vercel, with a JaaS iFrame. This is indeed what we had in mind when building JaaS. > We have some customisations on the front-end (custom kick messages, auto-enabling lobbies, etc). Is it possible to make these sorts of customisations to JaaS? Depends on exac…

Thanks for the response saghul, we’ll get in touch.

Re: JaaS: The team that builds Jitsi can now also run it for you

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(Jitsi Dev here) Yes you are correct. Cookie delete is indeed something that would trigger a new user count. So far we haven't seen this happen but if you believe your users would be massively cleaning cookies, we are happy to have a conversation and find a work around for you.

FWIW, me and my team would likely be super into paying for a hosted Jitsi if there was another pricing structure. We run our own but keeping it running smoothly takes away dev energy. Counting usage like this just seems very ripe for abuse by anybody who wishes to harm the group.

Please do reach out to us, we just got started and are happy to discuss.

Re: JaaS: The team that builds Jitsi can now also run it for you

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Hey all, saghul from team Jitsi here. Didn't expect this to spread so fast, thanks everyone! Happy to answer any questions you may have!

We host music events where ~500-2000 people watch a shared stream, and some subset of those people break off into video chat rooms to hang out with each other. We'd love to pay for JaaS to host the video room portion of events, however the MAU pricing model doesn't work well for events that only last a day or two. Is there any alternative pricing model that charges by the day or minute?

Please reach out. We are happy to talk about it and find ways to accommodate other use cases.

Re: JaaS: The team that builds Jitsi can now also run it for you

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I tried to run a Jitsi server. It's a madness full of Docker impossible things to run and a very long and confusing configuration file. I wonder why can't these things be provided as binaries with a simple set of settings. Now they offer Jitsi as a service for free up to 25 users? That's great though. It should cover 99% of normal people use cases, so no one will use meet.jit.si anymore.

> I tried to run a Jitsi server. It's a madness full of Docker impossible things to run and a very long and confusing configuration file. Sorry to hear that. Any chance you can provide some more details on what you tried and didn't work? I'd like to improve on this. > I wonder why can't these things be provided as binaries with a simple set of settings. That's kind of what they already are, but at certain degree of c…

No, sorry, I don't remember anymore. But it was just a hobby server for a group of friends to use and we've given up since.

I just remember being forced to install docker and edit a docker-compose.yml, and then configs would show up in other parts of the system that were not the directory I was in.

Then finally I got the server and people could join but they couldn't see the others. Anyway, I probably didn't invest the right amount of time and focus to get it working.

Re: JaaS: The team that builds Jitsi can now also run it for you

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it isn't? i used it for years and been very happy.

The marginal cost of the service they provide is like 10% of what they charge, or even less.

Any good alternatives you could recommend?
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