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Wayland is being treated like PulseAudio and systemd before. So, it will probably win its battle, thanks $DEITY.
That's because all three are similar, all three throw away some of the modular unix philosophy and replace it with a system that gives less power to the user.
> In the case of Wayland, the “vague authority” are a bunch of volunteers who have devoted tens of thousands of hours of their free time towards making free shit for you. That does not mean anyone is under an obligation to like it. > Maybe Wayland doesn’t work for your precious use-case. More likely, it does work, and you swallowed some propaganda based on an assumption which might have been correct 7 years ago. If y…
agree 1000% - really don't care about X per se, but remote windowing is an awesome and unique feature, and disrespecting it by treating it like some obscure/uneeded thing and qustioning why people are mad about it conveys alot about the attitude that i don't want to get behind
- decide it's time to make a New Thing which will supersede the Old Thing rather than living beside it
- decide that some features of Old Thing will not be directly supported by New Thing; instead New Thing will be flexible enough that people could implement those features on top of it
- declare that the work done to support those features will have to be done by the people who want to use them
- declare that the time has come for New Thing to supersede Old Thing, before said work has been done
[Edit: this wasn't intended to be a list of things that are individually bad ideas. It's only the last, in combination with the others, that I think is ill-advised.]
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That's because all three are similar, all three throw away some of the modular unix philosophy and replace it with a system that gives less power to the user.
How so? (genuine question from a desktop user using wayland right now)
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Sway is literally "i3, but Wayland". It is a drop in replacement.
https://github.com/swaywm/sway/wiki/Differences-from-i3 and so thoroughly documented! /s
From your link.
Oh, hey. That was hard.
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If it's not too much trouble, can you list the software you use which doesn't work on Wayland?
No problem, the biggest ones I tried were Godot, Krita, and Steam. Godot does not run on Wayland although support seems to be planned somewhere down the pipeline. Krita "runs" on Wayland but a lot of the features do not work nor does pen support last time I checked. Steam just doesn't work. Edit: A commenter on this thread mentioned Emacs. I have not tried that as I have recently switched to Emacs but if that is true…
My biggest gripe is that if you have more than one window of Chrome open it gets VERY slow. Multiple tabs are good, multiple windows are not.
It boggles my mind how people can be complete assholes to people writing FOSS because the sense of entitlement that users have when it comes to FOSS is staggering, and the more technical someone believes themselves to be, oftentimes, the more caustic they tend to be in how they interact with FOSS developers. Obviously this isn't the case for everyone, but having been a silent observer on Github issues for many FOSS projects as well as reading the rants on reddit and HN against FOSS technology , it really pisses me off even though I have no skin in the game.
These are real humans and people devoting their own free time to build something they are passionate about and believe in. It may not work for you, you may even think what they are doing is a terrible idea. Then provide constructive criticism if you wish and move along. That's all too rare though. In reality, what people really want is they want Wayland (or insert Technology here), but they want it the way they would wish it to be, and so they will essentially engage in negging developers and their decisions trying to beat them into submission. It's despicable behavior and no one should be defending this.
Measured criticism is fine, but then move the fuck on. Let people passionate about FOSS they care about, continue working on it. But don't be an asshole and keep trying to tear them down just because you selfishly want what they are building, but you want them to really build it the way you want it and to meet your specific use cases.
Dear god, Drew has spicy takes but this takes the cake, comparing anti-wayland sentiment to 9/11-truthers is quite the comparison. Not sure I can stomach reading past the first sentence.
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Wayland improves: - Multi-Monitor support (especially with multiple different resolutions) - HiDPI support (even if some of your programs haven’t been updated for that yet) Now why does wayland break xclip and vnc? Because "every program is a keylogger by default and can see any event, look at the contents of any window" is a major security issue, especially as it means the entire security model of screen lockers or…
So what's the remote login or rendering solution for Wayland? I don't really care about security or efficiency or whatever, I just want something that works.