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I'm tired of this anti-Wayland horseshit

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Re: I'm tired of this anti-Wayland horseshit

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post #27

Tried it on Arch with i3 a year (maybe more) ago. Wasn't really usable back then, switched back to X11. For embedded applications I'd probably start with Wayland, but yeah, for my host machine I'm not motivated enough to be more than a mere user.

Were you running i3 in xwayland? I thought that legacy WMs were inherently tied to X, hence author of this post's own project, Sway

Re: I'm tired of this anti-Wayland horseshit

#53

> So my new approach is “fuck you”. None of the Wayland detractors have a clue. Mmmmkay. That's a pretty broad statement, good luck with that attitude! > I’ve tried appealing to reason and rationally debunking each lie that some Wayland detractor flavor-of-the-week is touting to tow the party line, but it didn’t work. I guess he's referring to this post? https://drewdevault.com/2019/02/10/Wayland-misconceptions-de...

> I guess he's referring to this post? https://drewdevault.com/2019/02/10/Wayland-misconceptions-de...

And to numerous comments on HN and elsewhere.

The 'wayland sucks' movement is sooo annoying, even to me and I'm just a happy wayland user and haven't spent any of my free time writing those thousands of lines of code.

Re: I'm tired of this anti-Wayland horseshit

#54
People are dicks to maintainers of X11-based software too. I think people are just dicks.

It's one of the reasons I love stale closing bots. I don't have to pay attention to people who are dicks. I can just unsubscribe from their issues and let a bot handle it.

Re: I'm tired of this anti-Wayland horseshit

#55
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Standing as an outside observer, usually when someone posts about progress on Wayland they are immediately greeted by "Well, I don't like it." "That sucks" "just use X" etc. I've seen that sometimes here, although it's more frequent on Reddit.

I mean, that's just internet in general, isn't it?

Yes, and it is frustrating to those doing real work, in all incarnations.

I try to not contribute, but even knowing about the problem I catch myself - it seems to be human nature.

Re: I'm tired of this anti-Wayland horseshit

#56

Wayland is being treated like PulseAudio and systemd before. So, it will probably win its battle, thanks $DEITY.

That's because all three are similar, all three throw away some of the modular unix philosophy and replace it with a system that gives less power to the user.

Re: I'm tired of this anti-Wayland horseshit

#57

Well I wish I could use it, but it simply does not let me run any Steam games at this point.

This should be fixed soon: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/merge_requests...

Using a Radeon, it was crashing last time I tried on Fedora 33 last week.

Re: I'm tired of this anti-Wayland horseshit

#58
post #27

Tried it on Arch with i3 a year (maybe more) ago. Wasn't really usable back then, switched back to X11. For embedded applications I'd probably start with Wayland, but yeah, for my host machine I'm not motivated enough to be more than a mere user.

You might have confused something here.

i3 is a X11 window manager and has no Wayland support at all.

Sway is a Wayland compositor that closely resembles i3.

Re: I'm tired of this anti-Wayland horseshit

#59
post #9

> Maybe Wayland doesn’t work for your precious use-case. > Wayland works for almost everyone... Oh good. Tell me how to get XFCE running with Wayland then? I'm not a user of X11 or Wayland, not really. I just picked a DE that I liked. I guess my choice puts me firmly in the anti-Wayland camp though since I won't be running it anytime soon.

That was a conscious decision by the XFCE devs. They stated they were not ready to do a technological overhaul, and update to GTK-4 (which does support Wayland) for the 4.16 release cycle.

As they just released 4.16 last month, we should see an announcement regarding dependencies for 4.18 anytime now.

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