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Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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Cryptocurrency continues to gain more ground but I still have my reservations about it being the currency of the future. If by design, cryptocurrency has a finite volume of transferrable currency, do early adopters have an unfair advantage that could potentially make the currency unusable? I don’t see how it could possibly be fair when earlier mining yielded currency more quickly.

There is no reason that limited supply need be an inherent mechanism to a crypto currency.

Yeah, I'm sure people would be happy to transact in a crypto with 1000% inflation \s

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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Are there any crypto projects that allow chargebacks? I religiously avoid using my debit card except at bank ATMs to avoid that once every few years when someone skims my credit card. That and rewards are the main value-add of a traditional payment flow at the moment.

It's possible to provide customer protection as a third-party service. Chargebacks shouldn't exist on the base layer of money.

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About the volatility of cryptocurrency. Shouldn't this even out when mining becomes too expensive and enough people adopted a cryptocurrency? Like, aren't we simply too early for making sense of it all?

1) It's been around for 12 years Bitcoin and cryptocurrency is old technology at this point.

2) what does the phrase mining becomes too expensive mean? Satoshi always envisioned that mining would be taken up by big firms and specialty miners not individuals.

3) price volatility has nothing to do with the size of adoption every single person on Earth could be using Bitcoin and it wouldn't make it any less volatile. Maybe if major retailers decided to price things in terms of Bitcoin that could help but that will probably never happen.

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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Great, let’s all accelerate climate change even faster.

Bitcoin mining is good for the environment https://pomp.substack.com/p/bitcoin-mining-is-good-for-the-e...

I got paywalled, what's the TLDR on it?

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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I didn't want blockchain. I didn't want anonymity. I just wanted a way to instantly move money (the same money anyone might use to buy bread with) between myself and another person, without banking fees or delays or even legislative limitations.

And instead I got cryptocurrency.

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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Visa is in the payments business. The US Federal Reserve ("The Fed") is going live with an instant payments service in 2023-2024 [1] [2]. What does that leave Visa with? Hence, the existential crisis (first, trying to buy Plaid, and now "Crypto!"). [1] https://www.frbservices.org/financial-services/fednow/index.... [2] https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2020/08/31/fednow-the-federa...

Visa is left with a valuable rewards game system where people get cash back or points or whatever. Plus the liability protections that credit cards come with. People can already use debit cards with no effort, and merchants can accept that at very minimal costs. But still, most merchants are hesitant to offer lower prices to purchases with debit card because they are betting people spend more with credit cards. I don…

Visa doesn’t administer rewards programs - or loan origination for that matter - that’s handled by issuing banks. They are simply the payment rails. They also only collect a very small amount of the transaction, like the 0.1-0.2% range.

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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I don't think their rewards system is as valuable on you might think. When the cost of visa transactions are ultimately pushed to the consumer (~3%), they will eventually realize, those rewards are not worth the cost. Off course, this will probably take some time. But in my opinion, Visa's moat is thin and mostly reliant on the behavior of their users. For US, I expect Visa to still be dominant, but not so much in ot…

> they will eventually realize, those rewards are not worth the cost. Debit cards in the US have been available and basically free to use for all merchants and purchasers for many decades. Yet, merchants willingly do not give people that buy with a debit card a discount. That seems like proof to me that merchants are betting that they earn more money from the use of credit cards, even after the fees associated with t…

Most of the time it's just not worth pissing off your customers because they're using, "the wrong card".

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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I think this is one of those things where people overestimated how much things would change in the short-term, but will grossly underestimate how much they will change in the longterm. 5 years is a pretty short window in the grand scheme of things when talking about the adoption of technologies.

Gold has been in use for hundreds of years and yet it's still very volatile. If Bitcoin is digital gold that doesn't really solve the volatility problem.

I don't think people are arguing bitcoin will be less volatile than gold, but BTC is currently still an order of magnitude more volatile than gold.

Point being that even with gold's volatility it is still seen by pretty much everyone as a viable store of value, and I think BTC will be similar.

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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>They are (currently) slow, have high transaction fees This is only true for bitcoin and ethereum.

Which ones are fast, with low transaction fees?

LTC comes to mind, as well as sidechain technology like the Lighting Network.
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