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Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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Great, let’s all accelerate climate change even faster.

Stellar Lumens don't require proof of work - that was one of the key design decisions.

There's a finite volume of the things now, so presumably (fiat equivalent) value per Lumen will slowly increase.

Either way, 'they don't cause climate change'.

[1] https://www.stellar.org/lumens?locale=en

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was having this discussion with a friend recently, arguing over what the actual use cases are for crypto, and I came to a similar conclusion. In terms of facilitating payments , cryptocurrencies are worse in almost every way I can think of compared to existing systems. They are (currently) slow, have high transaction fees, but most importantly the non-refundability of crypto transactions is a bug, not the feature c…

> Yes, is obviously currently extremely volatile, but it's not hard to imagine that volatility lessening over time. I feel like I’ve heard this every year since 2015. I think it’s going to be hard to shake the majority perspective that it’s a speculative asset.

An interesting thing you might do in an overinflationary state, however, is buy a large portion of something like the USDC, the USD Coin, which maps to exactly US$1 all the time. While you are tied to another country's fiat whims, you still have the value add of crypto mentioned above: provenance and distance from the hyperinflated currency of your home state.

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was having this discussion with a friend recently, arguing over what the actual use cases are for crypto, and I came to a similar conclusion. In terms of facilitating payments , cryptocurrencies are worse in almost every way I can think of compared to existing systems. They are (currently) slow, have high transaction fees, but most importantly the non-refundability of crypto transactions is a bug, not the feature c…

> Yes, is obviously currently extremely volatile, but it's not hard to imagine that volatility lessening over time. I feel like I’ve heard this every year since 2015. I think it’s going to be hard to shake the majority perspective that it’s a speculative asset.

I think this is one of those things where people overestimated how much things would change in the short-term, but will grossly underestimate how much they will change in the longterm.

5 years is a pretty short window in the grand scheme of things when talking about the adoption of technologies.

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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Cryptocurrency continues to gain more ground but I still have my reservations about it being the currency of the future. If by design, cryptocurrency has a finite volume of transferrable currency, do early adopters have an unfair advantage that could potentially make the currency unusable? I don’t see how it could possibly be fair when earlier mining yielded currency more quickly.

Fiat currencies will probably always exist. Digital crypto assets like Bitcoin or Ethereum will exist alongside them. Bitcoin can be an asset like gold, of which users keep a portion of their networth to protect from economic uncertainty. Its deflationary policy may make it less usable as a currency, but at least crypto gives people choice.

Deflationary policy makes it more usable as a currency. It means that you don't have to spend the money instantly, but you can save it for later.

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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post #48

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Visa is in the payments business. The US Federal Reserve ("The Fed") is going live with an instant payments service in 2023-2024 [1] [2]. What does that leave Visa with? Hence, the existential crisis (first, trying to buy Plaid, and now "Crypto!"). [1] https://www.frbservices.org/financial-services/fednow/index.... [2] https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2020/08/31/fednow-the-federa...

I dug into the frbservices page and unfortunately many of the links are broken. Is the fed offering an alternative to consumers or banks (both?) I couldn't find anything about what the proposal was

With my understanding it's both. While it's a service that banks will hook into, consumers will have direct access to it through federally backed banks (ie all of them). Here's another link: https://www.federalreserve.gov/paymentsystems/fednow_about.h...

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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Cryptocurrency continues to gain more ground but I still have my reservations about it being the currency of the future. If by design, cryptocurrency has a finite volume of transferrable currency, do early adopters have an unfair advantage that could potentially make the currency unusable? I don’t see how it could possibly be fair when earlier mining yielded currency more quickly.

The initial distribution is not fair. This is a disadvantage but it doesn't matter much. It was similar with Gold. The more time passed, the better it became distributed.

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

#68

Cryptocurrency continues to gain more ground but I still have my reservations about it being the currency of the future. If by design, cryptocurrency has a finite volume of transferrable currency, do early adopters have an unfair advantage that could potentially make the currency unusable? I don’t see how it could possibly be fair when earlier mining yielded currency more quickly.

Isn't that true of everything? If you were an early adopter of America you could get free land that today could be worth hundreds of millions.

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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post #68

Cryptocurrency continues to gain more ground but I still have my reservations about it being the currency of the future. If by design, cryptocurrency has a finite volume of transferrable currency, do early adopters have an unfair advantage that could potentially make the currency unusable? I don’t see how it could possibly be fair when earlier mining yielded currency more quickly.

Isn't that true of everything? If you were an early adopter of America you could get free land that today could be worth hundreds of millions.

That's a great analogy

Re: Visa May Add Cryptocurrencies to Its Payments Network, Says CEO

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Cryptocurrency continues to gain more ground but I still have my reservations about it being the currency of the future. If by design, cryptocurrency has a finite volume of transferrable currency, do early adopters have an unfair advantage that could potentially make the currency unusable? I don’t see how it could possibly be fair when earlier mining yielded currency more quickly.

Quite the opposite.

Bitcoin was the first fair currency, where everybody who had a computer could get it.

There wasn't any currency created a more fair way.

Even now everybody can look at it and evaluate how well its design resonates with his or her philosophy.

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