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India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by higerordermap »

mds101 wrote: post #196
MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #173

> Agriculture employs about half of India's 1.3 billion population I am not familiar with politics in India, so my question is: how does the BJP manage to push laws that (seem to) adversly affect the interest of half of the population? Isn't that political suicide for the BJP?

They stoke communal sentiments, pit Hindus vs Muslims, make it seem like the minorities are out to destroy the Hindus, and a vast majority of the population just laps it up. They have a giant misinformation network, which has recruited everybody from bots to popular actors to popular sportspeople and they spread out misinformation in a highly organized manner. Very effective at spreading FUD which translates into vot…

Doesn't help that the opposite party, Indian National Congress, is still reliant on old outdated minority appeasement tactics.

Both parties are guilty of spreading misinformation, but now-ruling party encashed the majority votebank first, and almost controls the popular narrative. Moreover INC doesn't have promising leadership, they are mostly exploited by Nehru-Gandhi family.

In most demographics, majority of people are conservative and it's just matter of time someone exploits it.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by srean »

miohtama wrote: post #64
dragonsh wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has been shown again and again by current administration and ruling party in India that power and ideology of pure Hindu state is more important than lives and livelihood. On a grand display in 2002 incident in a province in India [1], please read the whole NYT article, before commenting on it. Later on at display in Kashmir. Subsequently during national register and citizenship act protests where religious riot…

India is objectively moving towards authoritarian dictatorship on many metrics: https://www.economist.com/briefing/2020/11/28/narendra-modi-... (And quickly)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5VsGdPHsz0

A nice documentary. Its a little long though. Fair warning, it needs a strong (metaphorical) stomach if one cares about these issues.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by satya71 »

MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #173

> Agriculture employs about half of India's 1.3 billion population I am not familiar with politics in India, so my question is: how does the BJP manage to push laws that (seem to) adversly affect the interest of half of the population? Isn't that political suicide for the BJP?

They have a committed support from 33% that gives them control of the levers of govt (because first-past-the-post multi-party system), many times using extra-constitutional means.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by srean »

hesarenu wrote: post #336
rishav_sharan wrote: post #257

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From RSSs role in the MK Gandhi's assassination, Gujrat's riots, to the Samjhauta Express bombings, Ajmer Dargah attacks, to the cow vigilatelism, beating up couples at valentine's day - the list is pretty long to consider RSS as Religious terrorists.

So if some members of a group were involved in these activities do you blame the whole group? Are you consistent with you beliefs on labeling groups?

If the government took action against these guys as opposed to covert support and encouragement you would have a point.

How many public lynchers have been convicted ? (Its a rhetorical question)

Why has the Modi government passed orders not to record lynching related deaths ? (again a rhetorical question)

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/ncrb-leaves-out-data...

May be you should take your lecture to the government friendly media about branding the entire movement as Khalistani, Pakistani terrorists.

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Post by sbmthakur »

ugexe wrote: post #319
ngc248 wrote: post #238

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The current thing happening delhi is similar to the Occupy Capitol a few weeks ago. Of course this violence needs to be stopped, I mean it's the capital for gods sake. India is not losing its freedom, but with the amount of population and rumour mongering on whatsapp/social media tamping down on the internet sometimes is necessary. Earlier before data become ubqiquitous, they used to clamp down on SMS.

Why do you think rumor mongering is a valid reason for a country to disable people’s internet?

That rumor mongering is amplified by Social media and often leads to violence.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_WhatsApp_lynchings

https://www.wired.com/story/how-whatsapp-fuels-fake-news-and...

I do not like shutting of Internet in any area but I am not the one responsible for maintaining law and order. Additionally, in the age of e2e apps, it becomes quite difficult to find the real perpetrators.

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Post by hesarenu »

dragonsh wrote: post #58
actuator wrote: post #14

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I don't think we are talking about the same thing. I was talking about the protestors attacking cops of which there are a lot of videos on social media. The video I linked above shows them jumping from a fort to save themselves.

This has been shown again and again by current administration and ruling party in India that power and ideology of pure Hindu state is more important than lives and livelihood. On a grand display in 2002 incident in a province in India [1], please read the whole NYT article, before commenting on it. Later on at display in Kashmir. Subsequently during national register and citizenship act protests where religious riot…

The protesters attached police. There are pictures, videos. You can't push it under carpet and say nothing happened.

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Post by hesarenu »

kamaal wrote: post #157
sbmthakur wrote: post #115

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People have a religion. And most of the times their religion is not the same as yours. Get used to this fact.

Seems like as long its not Hindu religion its fine.

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Post by srean »

legolas2412 wrote: post #334
kamaal wrote: post #155

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>>Beef consumption has been forbidden in most Indian states since independence and supported by all political parties. Only 'Productive Cow(milk yielding)' slaughter was forbidden until recently. Karnataka(Ruled by same party as the center) recently banned all bovine slaughter. Farmers now say they will happily pass on the expenses to take care of unproductive cattle(calves, bulls and older bovines) to consumers in t…

And the reason all this happens is because a uniform civil code is unpalatable to muslims. We would be in a better place if we didn't have polygamy and good divorce, custody, alimony laws instead of religious laws.

What does cow slaughter laws have to do with laws governing marriage

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Post by jitendrac »

In reality its complex matter farmers have more to gain than lose. For my personal belief I support the farmer reform proposed by the governments, but there are many fake news and political propaganda acting against it. If its about Indian politics never trust what you see on Internet news most are fake.

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Post by intended »

eklavya wrote: post #212
intended wrote: post #194

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That lovely linguistic sleight of hand means that people called a region bharat. By the criteria how come Sri Lanka is not included? Or how do you reconcile the 7 sisters being part of that? For that matter the word Europe exists - are you arguing that states should act like nations a la the EU?

I reconcile that by the fact that the same unifying culture is and has been present for centuries in the whole subcontinent.

How do you reconcile that beef eating is fine in Kerala Hindus and abhorrent/used to target minorities by North Indian Hindus?
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