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India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by xrisk »

qart wrote: post #310
xrisk wrote: post #307

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You've linked me to a subsidiary [1] (that too one that sells telecom hardware)? Airtel the co has made 300M INR in losses for 2019-2020 [2] [1]: https://www.emis.com/php/company-profile/IN/Bharti_Airtel_Se... [2]: https://assets.airtel.in/teams/simplycms/web/docs/Airtel-Int...

I linked you to Airtel's Indian telecom business, i.e. the business in direct competition to Jio. The document you linked to says it's about "Operations in 18 countries including India and Sri Lanka", offering many kinds of services unrelated to telecom.

From [1]:

> Bharti Airtel Services Limited (BASL) engages mainly in selling of hardware for internet and satellite business.

Also please do elaborate on what sources of revenue that Airtel has that cause its 300M in loss while (as you claim) it makes profits in their telecom?

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by qart »

xrisk wrote: post #311
qart wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I linked you to Airtel's Indian telecom business, i.e. the business in direct competition to Jio. The document you linked to says it's about "Operations in 18 countries including India and Sri Lanka", offering many kinds of services unrelated to telecom.

From [1]: > Bharti Airtel Services Limited (BASL) engages mainly in selling of hardware for internet and satellite business. Also please do elaborate on what sources of revenue that Airtel has that cause its 300M in loss while (as you claim) it makes profits in their telecom?

https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/company/8155686Z:IN

"Bharti Airtel Services Ltd. provides telecommunication services. The Company offers mobile, voice, and data services, as well as fixed line, high speed broadband, IPTV, and DTH services. Bharti provides telecom solutions for enterprises and international long distance service carriers."

> Also please do elaborate on what sources of revenue that Airtel has that cause its 300M in loss

Not interested. The bottom line is that Bharti Airtel Services, the direct competitor of Jio, is making a profit, contrary to your beliefs. Jio is not a monopoly.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by srean »

bythckr wrote: post #234
flik wrote: post #230

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You missed to mention towers destroyed is only of Jio (primary beneficiary of these laws is parent company Reliance)

You know very well that not all companies have their own tower. The towers are shared.

I don't think you are being honest in intent.

Yes some towers are shared, but that would be irrelevant if the targets of vandalism weren't. No other carrier other than Jio and Reliance have made a large noise about damages to their infrastructure. This makes me believe that the other carriers were not affected.

In any case the farmer protests have distanced themselves from such acts of vandalism and openly criticized them.

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Post by webmobdev »

ngc248 wrote: post #245
webmobdev wrote: post #104

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You have totally bought the government misinformation on the protest when you say: > It's also true that existing power nexus like these farmer brokers who are spearheading the protest. No. These protests are organised by the opposition political parties of India through the farm unions they run or are affiliated with, not by brokers. And they are happening to address the legitimate grievances of the farmers. Farming…

With the mandi system, the farmers never made money. It was always the mandi (the middle man) who made money. These mandis also can hoard and drive up the prices, They have total control over the supply. The farmer orgs currently protesting are all opposition backed orgs. so all of this is political

Everyone agrees that the system needs reform.But replacing the regulated market and the brokers with the corporate is a worse solution.

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Post by webmobdev »

rishav_sharan wrote: post #231
eklavya wrote: post #144

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Yes, why counter with facts when you can say it’s just “common knowledge”. I will not try to talk you out of your beliefs. But I can assure you from first hand extensive experience, RSS is not “nazi”. You are making extraordinary claims at least specify one “admiring and continue to admire” source.

Perhaps religious terrorists or fascists, are better monikers for RSS than "Nazi" which is a way more loaded term.

It's easier for westerners to understand. Within India the popular term for them is now Sanghis (for Hindu religious fundamentalists) and MuSanghis (for muslim religious fundamentalists).

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Post by srean »

quantummkv wrote: post #289
bilalhusain wrote: post #206

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Modi's BJP is a power hungry party unlike anything I have seen. I doubt they care about anything (nation, economy, welfare). The way it has been going on is that government announces something or passes some bill because they have to do something on a particular topic (say black money, taxes, Covid). However, they are incompetent or don't have the willingness or interest in actually carrying it out. So, these changes…

> Agriculture reforms are much needed in India. However, the government did it in hurry by-passing rules and without consulting farmers That is false. These reforms are decades in the making with just about everyone opposing these laws now had advocated for it. Case in point, take a look at this tweet from BKU (the union leading these protests) - https://twitter.com/BKU_KisanUnion/status/110167401066691379... In the…

Quite strikingly, the BJP government in power has been unable to produce a shred of evidence -- minutes, paper work etc of any of the purported meetings they claim they had with the farmer organizations. There has been RTI requests (its the Indian analogue of FOIA) for these and the government has been unable to put forth any supporting evidence.

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Post by bilalhusain »

quantummkv wrote: post #289
bilalhusain wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Modi's BJP is a power hungry party unlike anything I have seen. I doubt they care about anything (nation, economy, welfare). The way it has been going on is that government announces something or passes some bill because they have to do something on a particular topic (say black money, taxes, Covid). However, they are incompetent or don't have the willingness or interest in actually carrying it out. So, these changes…

> Agriculture reforms are much needed in India. However, the government did it in hurry by-passing rules and without consulting farmers That is false. These reforms are decades in the making with just about everyone opposing these laws now had advocated for it. Case in point, take a look at this tweet from BKU (the union leading these protests) - https://twitter.com/BKU_KisanUnion/status/110167401066691379... In the…

Even RSS (BJP cadres) affliated BKS questioned why the bills were passed in hurry.

They suggested changes to the bill and commented - "We have serious doubts whether the current bills will serve any purpose to the farmers and it appears more of a tool for the buyers rather than the farmers."

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-natio...

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Post by srean »

quantgenius wrote: post #107
dragonsh wrote: post #75

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Again you are parroting the same national agenda of the current Indian government of a Hindu state and Hindu way of living forcibly forced on every community in India. Recent example of local government passing laws to support groups and Organization who kill people who eat beef, another example of people of different religion marrying needs approval from state government (calling it law against love jihad). Not sure…

Also to be married under the Special Marriage Act you can really only have a civil ceremony at a magistrates office. If you have a religious ceremony, it does not apply.

Citation or else this is false.

In any case the ceremonies are much too elaborate to be held in magistrates office without cutting corners. So they are held at home or marriage halls.

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Post by ugexe »

ngc248 wrote: post #238
wtmt wrote: post #172

If you’re someone outside India, please write to your representatives (or organize something) on matters like Internet access being cut off. We live in an age where this can be a matter of life and death. It is standard practice in India to cut off Internet access in places where there are riots or riots expected to happen or for some nebulous “national security” concern. In fact, India tops the list of countries wit…

The current thing happening delhi is similar to the Occupy Capitol a few weeks ago. Of course this violence needs to be stopped, I mean it's the capital for gods sake. India is not losing its freedom, but with the amount of population and rumour mongering on whatsapp/social media tamping down on the internet sometimes is necessary. Earlier before data become ubqiquitous, they used to clamp down on SMS.

Why do you think rumor mongering is a valid reason for a country to disable people’s internet?

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Post by srean »

eklavya wrote: post #229
kamaal wrote: post #222

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https://www.deccanherald.com/state/top-karnataka-stories/kar... It also offers protection for "persons acting in good faith" as no suit, prosecution or other legal proceedings can be instituted against the competent authority or "any person exercising powers under this Act."

That does sound damning. What are these powers? I know villagers here have been stopping traffickers from cow smuggling since forever. What powers is this ordinance giving them is not detailed in the article. I am pretty sure killing won’t be allowed though.

How many have these 'villagers' have been convicted or even arrested. The government does a wink wink and they are released on bail and their cases buried under humongous paperwork. These is how, among other things, the government sanctions public lynchings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5VsGdPHsz0

This is not rocket science. KKK operated in similar ways.

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