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India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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post #214

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What would those policies be? Why do you assume I am nazi or nazi like? Sorry, that’s very disgusting of you. What part about my being are you trying to draw attention to. Stop bullying people.

I should have taken the advice of your parent comment "No, thanks. I am not interested in helping you whitewash their history." Please carry on. You deserve no opposition or feedback. You deserve to be left alone.

I am specifically calling for feedback in terms of concrete arguments. Please continue to keep brandishing people and calling them names. Great arguments!!

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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It is banned but did not permit anyone to kill other people without impunity on suspicion of having dog meat in refrigerator. So may be please get facts right before arguing.

So killing without impunity is provided by which law exactly?

https://www.deccanherald.com/state/top-karnataka-stories/kar...

It also offers protection for "persons acting in good faith" as no suit, prosecution or other legal proceedings can be instituted against the competent authority or "any person exercising powers under this Act."

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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> Agriculture employs about half of India's 1.3 billion population I am not familiar with politics in India, so my question is: how does the BJP manage to push laws that (seem to) adversly affect the interest of half of the population? Isn't that political suicide for the BJP?

Let me share how I understood the issue.

Pre-independence, during the Zamindar System (Indian version of Feudalism). The Zamindar owned the land and the farmers worked on it and the Zamindar compensated them what he felt like. The farmers had no leverage to bargain and was pretty much the salve of the Zamindar. This was the Indian version of slaves.

Similarly after the Independence, the Zamindar System was abolished. But a market yards (mandis) system came up, here the farmer either owns the land or rents out the land from someone. But can ONLY sell the produce to the local Mandi. The Mandi has the upper-hand in deciding the prices and the farmer cannot negotiate as no one else is allowed to buy it from the farmer. The Mandi effectively became a new/mutated (keeping up with the Covid times ;)) version of Zamindar aka Feudalism. The farmers are still technically slaves of the Mandi.

As per the new law, the farmer has to right to sell the produce to ANYONE, including the Mandi. So, the Mandi can quote the price and if anyone bids a higher price, they can get it. If need be, me as a consumer can buy directly and legally from the farmer.

As for the minimum price protection, the mandi does offer that service and that service will continue as per the current system if you agree to sell to the Mandi. But in many states, the state government offers an insurance were the farmer can enroll in it and if the crop is damaged due to weather or locust (like it happened recently) or failed to get a promised minimum price, the farmer will be compensated.

In the state of Tamil Nadu (couple of relatives are involved in farming there), this insurance/financing is done via the Banks. At each stage, the bank gives money for buying manure & seeds. Basically you can take a loan from the bank to do agriculture and if it fails or you dont get the minimum promised price, the loan is written off. So, the farmer can do the agriculture without spending any money from their own pockets and in case of loss, the bank writes off the loan.

There are similar systems in various states, because of the Mandis there is no competition and the state govt & Mandis and do what they feel like. Now with the new law, the Mandis are facing competition. Basically they opened a protected market to competition.

As you asked, the BJP is pushing to implement this law in an Agrarian country like India is because they know that the majority needs this law and they can use this to get votes in the next election.

Right now the whole protest is from the single state of Punjab where you have the oldest and the richest Mandis. You cannot blame the Mandis for getting upset in damaging their business.

Plus states like Kerala with very low farming and they don't have a mandi system but is ruled by the communist party is just sending their party workers to protest, just because they dont want the BJP to succeed. Their opposition is to the party that is implementing the change and not the law. That is the same case with most of the opposition.

To me, this is like the horse traders protesting when the Automobile came out or the coin-operated telephone people protesting when mobiles came about or like the fossil fuel industry crying about the advent of Solar & renewal energy.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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> Agriculture employs about half of India's 1.3 billion population I am not familiar with politics in India, so my question is: how does the BJP manage to push laws that (seem to) adversly affect the interest of half of the population? Isn't that political suicide for the BJP?

Not BJP fanatic, but as I see these laws. These are pro-farmer and anti-madis laws. There was monopolies of mandis(farmer are restricted only to sell here) now government allows them to make contract or sell anywhere. I wrote posts on it : https://iamamitmurari.medium.com/farm-laws-farmer-issues-and...

> There was monopolies of mandis(farmer are restricted only to sell here) now government allows them to make contract or sell anywhere.

You have no clue. Farmers were free before also to sell anywhere.

Reliance is going to monopolize in agriculture also similar to what they have done with Telecom via Jio.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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If you’re someone outside India, please write to your representatives (or organize something) on matters like Internet access being cut off. We live in an age where this can be a matter of life and death. It is standard practice in India to cut off Internet access in places where there are riots or riots expected to happen or for some nebulous “national security” concern. In fact, India tops the list of countries wit…

You missed out to mention the fact that the protesters first destroyed the cell towers and stole the generators and are now complaining about the internet being cut.

No cell tower == no cell service == no internet.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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No, thanks. I am not interested in helping you whitewash their history. It is common public knowledge that the founders of RSS were an admirer of Hitler and his party. (And they still continue to admire and glorify Hitler). The RSS is also a thrice banned terrorist organization whose members are involved in various communal riots and also assassinated Gandhi. And no, Subhash Chandra Bose is not a Nazi because he didn…

Yes, why counter with facts when you can say it’s just “common knowledge”. I will not try to talk you out of your beliefs. But I can assure you from first hand extensive experience, RSS is not “nazi”. You are making extraordinary claims at least specify one “admiring and continue to admire” source.

you can stop arguing with him. mostly he belongs to the liberal left.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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Guys, you need to understand what media is showing in india is not true, as it is controlled by Govt and corporates. Media publish picture guy raising sword, but not explaining why. Media didn’t publish pictures about events that lead to. Day before govt supporters warned that they will tomorrow unless they vacate the protest site. Next day even police barricade in the view of warning , still they let govt supporters…

This account was created a few hours back and only has comments supporting this narrative

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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So killing without impunity is provided by which law exactly?

https://www.deccanherald.com/state/top-karnataka-stories/kar... It also offers protection for "persons acting in good faith" as no suit, prosecution or other legal proceedings can be instituted against the competent authority or "any person exercising powers under this Act."

That does sound damning. What are these powers? I know villagers here have been stopping traffickers from cow smuggling since forever. What powers is this ordinance giving them is not detailed in the article. I am pretty sure killing won’t be allowed though.

Re: India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers in Delhi

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post #172

If you’re someone outside India, please write to your representatives (or organize something) on matters like Internet access being cut off. We live in an age where this can be a matter of life and death. It is standard practice in India to cut off Internet access in places where there are riots or riots expected to happen or for some nebulous “national security” concern. In fact, India tops the list of countries wit…

You missed out to mention the fact that the protesters first destroyed the cell towers and stole the generators and are now complaining about the internet being cut. No cell tower == no cell service == no internet.

You missed to mention towers destroyed is only of Jio (primary beneficiary of these laws is parent company Reliance)
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