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Bookmarking this one for when my friends chide me for “still” using iOS.

If you think this isn't coming to iOS next you've got another thing coming.

If you actually do care about privacy and free speech and aren't using an iPhone because they're fashionable in your country then you should check out purism and pine64. They're the only phones I know of that are designed not to run "mobile OSes".

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Thank you for sharing your experience! > how were they negatively impacting your mental wellbeing? I think the answer to your question is obviously very personal and will change from an individual to another. For me personally the stress came in 2 forms: * Outrage/politics, especially on Twitter and Reddit. On Twitter, it's impossible to escape this, even if you carefully sanitise the list of those who you follow, du…

I reddit daily, I like it a lot. I just gloss over the propaganda crap there, on twitter, facebook, etc. When I want to do politics for real, I do actual fact-based research (as opposed to "my facebook friend watched a youtube video about chemtrails!"). I personally find it easy. Youtube CAN be a time sink, but so can movies, books, and music. It's my responsibility to manage my time, but I appreciate that it makes i…

> I applaud you for being in charge of your own life, I think I am too.

Oh of course, I never suggested otherwise! We all have different priorities, and also our heads all work in different ways.

But, I wanted to make it clear that, if one has moral exceptions, then they can quit those services and be OK. Many are under the impression that they could not possibly live without X or Y, that's the idea I wanted to dispel.

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A lot of people seem to believe that there’s much more to this than there really is. Google has hired a bunch of 28 year old kids in HR and PR, that never used Usenet, that never used IRC, that barely remember AIM, that had a smartphone before they had their own laptop, that don’t understand the internet or technology . And they’re the ones making these decisions. There aren’t rooms full of Google PMs and programmers…

TL;DR: Google has likely delegated policing everyone's PCs to a handful of incompetent children and that should make you feel less worried.

Smartphones are bad. "Apps" are bad. OS vendors using their position to change public behavior is bad. (this last idea something the courts in most countries agree on.)

You need to get this stuff out of your life, it's beyond coke levels of harmful.

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Is this google starting to test the waters when it comes to arbitrarily kicking out software they personally don't like? (open source, decentralized, privacy oriented etc.) I might of course be exaggerating a bit here, keep that in mind. - Element and Matrix are growing but still not equipped to fight back at large against this, so it is unlikely to create too much negative press - If Google starts to catch too much…

I think the situation is probably more interesting than deliberate anticompetitive evil. I bet that there was indeed some policy violation, and some minor bureaucrat is reasonably applying the policy, but in a way that misses the big-picture impact of doing so, for example threads of outrage high on Hacker News. The policies back them into being a monopolistic heavy whether they mean to or not, because they're so big…

Very well put. Sympathetic. Yet still culpable even if they can't scale Google scale right?

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OEMs and software vendors have been pushing hard towards locking-down and controlling people's computing devices and people have largely been indifferent. It genuinely seemed all was going to be lost until the tech industry went crazy exercising their control. Their recent (and imo unjustifiable) actions have clearly demonstrated to everyone what it means to hand over control. It remains to be seen whether people wil…

People on here think that most "normal" people are going to figure out how to sideload apps.

No.

I visited my parents church at the beginning of this year and very few people were talking about that. What they were talking about is giving up on smartphones and social media altogether which is probably not a bad idea.

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'Private company, they do what they want' That's correct, but we can still boycott companies that do this.

We really can't. Smartphones are practically a mandatory part of modern life. My previous job required me to have one for tons of work-related authentication/software. There is no choice outside Google/Apple when it comes to mobile devices. None which are fully compatible with a normal person's way of life, or which provides access to the same apps. It may be technically possible to avoid them, but 'technically possi…

The alternative is the pinephone. It's coming along and has gotten to the point where it's stable and fast. Most distros will probably have MMS support at some point this year.

That doesn't help if everyone you want to interact with refuses to talk to you if you don't have an iPhone because doing that has become fashionable.

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If there's a backlash, it will just be explained as an "oops," like when Firefox devs catch them doing stuff like this: > https://www.neowin.net/news/mozilla-executive-claims-that-go... >In a thread on Twitter, Mozilla's Technical Program Manager has stated that YouTube's Polymer redesign relies heavily on the deprecated Shadow DOM v0 API, which is only available in Chrome. This in turn makes the site around five tim…

I worked around this problem in Firefox by changing the browser useragent for the YouTube site to an older version # though the fix won't last forever. I have become accustomed to using multiple browsers and OSes simply because of all the issues surrounding video playback.

I worked around this by removing YouTube from my life. I've been making much more progress on my personal projects since.

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Ok, that's some historical revisionism I've not see before. The term sideloading was invented by an internet storage service company to refer to copying files between remote storage buckets without having to do an upload or download. The term then got adopted by the community for copying MP3 files to a player from your computer.

But nothing about your facts help me hate on Google and Apple more... can’t the GP be right?

Whatever, I just think it's useful when evaluating an opinion to know whether the person is prone to fantasising and making shit up. There's way too much of that going around these days.
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