I've got a pixel 2 at the moment and it's working alright. I think I'd like to switch to an iPhone next. Which of the older models of iPhone is good? I don't want to spend the large price for the newest iPhone, I'd be happy with a generation or two back. Does this privacy setting affect older generations?
A Day in the Life of Your Data [pdf]
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Re: A Day in the Life of Your Data [pdf]
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Well, it’s because it’s a winning strategy to anyone who remotely gets concerned or paranoid about being spied on.
Considering how much digital spying happens, it is not paranoia to be concerned about it. If you caught your neighbor peeking in your windows 5 times a day, putting up a fence isn't being paranoid.
The fence manufacturers and installers would like to remind that all your neighbors are peeking in your windows.
Re: A Day in the Life of Your Data [pdf]
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> you’ve provided zero evidence for this. You claim that Apple have implied Facebook There were dozens, maybe hundreds of news media stories yesterday stating that Apple was attacking Facebook, so it's not just me. Here are 2 examples: https://gizmodo.com/tim-its-pronounced-facebook-1846152682 https://www.engadget.com/tim-cook-privacy-cpdp-2021-slams-fa... Moreover, the original comment that I replied to said "Apple…
Now we've come full circle. You claim Apple "Created" an Orwellian enemy. But all Cook did was describe a company which spies on people to make money, We didn't need him to call out who it is because everyone knows who it is based on the Orwellian description. Yet Apple somehow (You claim) "Created" them. Facebook is this Orwellian, we all know it based on what we know about Facebook. Tim Cook didn't fabricate this,…
I said: "This feels to me like Apple creating a convenient Orwellian enemy. They're not even competitors"
In other words, Apple is creating an enemy for themselves, an enemy of Apple. When in fact the two companies are not enemies in the business sense of having competing products, and indeed Apple profits directly from the In App Purchases in the Facebook app — IAP which do exist, contrary to several other false claims in these comments — and profits indirectly by having Facebook in their App Store. Facebook too has profited and become more popular by being on iPhone and the App Store.
But now Apple's App Store is under serious scrutiny, not to mention lawsuits, so Apple is looking to justify its lockdown, and "privacy" fits the bill there, despite the fact that Facebook has always been "creepy", since the beginning of the App Store and before.
The purpose of an "Orwellian" enemy is to justify the heavy-handed control of the rulers and to distract the populace from that situation. "Good thing we have Apple's strict App Store rules to protect us from evildoers like Facebook!"
Re: A Day in the Life of Your Data [pdf]
#74I've got a pixel 2 at the moment and it's working alright. I think I'd like to switch to an iPhone next. Which of the older models of iPhone is good? I don't want to spend the large price for the newest iPhone, I'd be happy with a generation or two back. Does this privacy setting affect older generations?
iPhone XR is still very good and about half the price of the 12. Has the new design, bigger screen, smaller bezels, FaceTime. I don’t know about this privacy setting, but Apple is good about supporting older phones with new iOS releases, and the changes from XR -> 12 are much less than 8-> XR.
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I think the issue is a little different than I suggested (though the small business ads are a part of it). I think this is a worthwhile read: https://stratechery.com/2020/privacy-labels-and-lookalike-au... > "Small businesses did just fine before FB." You can't really compare the old pre-internet, pre-amazon world with our current one and assume things that were 'just fine' then still apply. A local restaurant is a b…
> A local restaurant is a bad example, better examples are small companies making a niche product or independent platforms in a niche. This affects companies buying ads on FB, but also those trying to understand their own customers to compete with Amazon and the other large companies. I don't work in ads, but I've talked to Googlers that do and the ads really do have a big impact for small businesses. I'd believe thi…
If it doesn't affect small businesses then who is buying all of the FB ads?
If you look through your ad feed what do you see? When I had FB, most of the ads were for products (or services) from small businesses. Maybe you can dispute small, but that was the majority.
> "Sellers on Etsy?"
I think that'd be included yeah, also anyone with a shopify store, etc.
I'm not the right person to ask but I'd believe there's large volume here, I'd also be happy to be proven wrong.
Re: A Day in the Life of Your Data [pdf]
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Now we've come full circle. You claim Apple "Created" an Orwellian enemy. But all Cook did was describe a company which spies on people to make money, We didn't need him to call out who it is because everyone knows who it is based on the Orwellian description. Yet Apple somehow (You claim) "Created" them. Facebook is this Orwellian, we all know it based on what we know about Facebook. Tim Cook didn't fabricate this,…
I said: "This feels to me like Apple creating a convenient Orwellian enemy. They're not even competitors" In other words, Apple is creating an enemy for themselves , an enemy of Apple. When in fact the two companies are not enemies in the business sense of having competing products, and indeed Apple profits directly from the In App Purchases in the Facebook app — IAP which do exist, contrary to several other false cl…
This whole idea is convoluted.
We're talking about adding a permission the user can select.
This is increasing the amount of control users have over their device. Yet you want to use this bizarre Machiavellian scheme to try and make it look like some sinister Apple Plot.
Guess what. Adding a dialog that warns me people are trying to spy on me isn't bad. Ever.
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> A local restaurant is a bad example, better examples are small companies making a niche product or independent platforms in a niche. This affects companies buying ads on FB, but also those trying to understand their own customers to compete with Amazon and the other large companies. I don't work in ads, but I've talked to Googlers that do and the ads really do have a big impact for small businesses. I'd believe thi…
If it doesn't affect small businesses then who is buying all of the FB ads? If you look through your ad feed what do you see? When I had FB, most of the ads were for products (or services) from small businesses. Maybe you can dispute small, but that was the majority. > "Sellers on Etsy?" I think that'd be included yeah, also anyone with a shopify store, etc. I'm not the right person to ask but I'd believe there's lar…
> When I had FB, most of the ads were for products (or services) from small businesses.
What makes you think the quantity of quality of advertising on Facebook is going to change? They still have:
- Your location
- A list of what you post about, what you link, what photos you've shared, what activities you've attended, what groups you are in, etc etc.
- All of the above about many of you friends and family members just in case there are interests you don't talk about on Facebook.
So how exactly is whether Facebooking that I checked the weather on the corner of 3rd and Center at 7pm going to help those small businesses advertising on Facebook?
Is there going to be some flash umbrella store around the corner if rain is in the forecast?
Re: A Day in the Life of Your Data [pdf]
#78I've got a pixel 2 at the moment and it's working alright. I think I'd like to switch to an iPhone next. Which of the older models of iPhone is good? I don't want to spend the large price for the newest iPhone, I'd be happy with a generation or two back. Does this privacy setting affect older generations?
Try iPhone SE, it's the cheapest one with a good processor, and will probably be supported for several more years, I'm still using the iPhone SE first gen from 2016.
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What part of this document is about Facebook and not Google?
Facebook is at least for the moment the company which is vocally fighting this. Google probably just quietly changed their API to use undetectable fingerprinting.
has google updated their apps yet?
Re: A Day in the Life of Your Data [pdf]
#80Your Apple iOS device still doesn't let you:
- figure out if and when your apps are active
- figure out if your apps using the network
- figure out what sites are they contacting
- block network access
On macos, they may have updated it so the third-party Little Snitch can block apple traffic (untested).
Even anonymous data shouldn't be collected without asking. And as google is showing, a fingerprint be deduced from imperfect data.