Apple knows they're going toe-to-toe with Facebook, and they don't seem to plan to lose.
What part of this document is about Facebook and not Google?
A Day in the Life of Your Data [pdf]
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#32If ads are just restricted to intent based on page/video/query, small advertisers lose out on effectiveness but is this is a big issue for big advertisers? I have read FB engineers comment on HN that FB has a long tail of advertisers. Is that why they are being more vocal out of all companies? In any case, I personally don't have a problem with ads as a revenue medium for companies, just the expansive data mining, es…
> If ads are just restricted to intent based on page/video/query, small advertisers lose out on effectiveness
Any research proving this?
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
This feels to me like Apple creating a convenient Orwellian enemy. They're not even competitors, because Apple doesn't have a social network, Facebook doesn't sell computers, and indeed Facebook is currently among the grossing apps in the iOS App Store, 30% of which Apple gets. If Facebook was as terrible as Apple makes them out to be, why would Apple allow Facebook in their App Store and take 30% of the generated re…
This week, Mark Zuckerberg declared that Apple is one of their biggest competitors[0]. Apple may not see Facebook as a competitor, but that feeling is not mutual. Given Apple's focus on privacy combined with their huge footprint in the US, Facebook may see them as an existential threat, and be using the word "competitor" to represent that. 0. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/facebook-ceo-zuckerberg-says...
> Given Apple's focus on privacy combined with their huge footprint in the US, Facebook may see them as an existential threat, and be using the word "competitor" to represent that.
I agree that Apple is an existential threat to Facebook, given that Apple has absolute control over software distribution on iPhone. In that sense they're competitors, but not in the standard sense of having competing products.
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#34Note that this article is from 2010, 3 years before Apple joined the NSA's PRISM program approx 6 months after Steve Jobs passed. Jobs reportedly wouldn't go along with it. The data flow is much different now. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants... How about hardware implants? https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/12/30/the-nsa-rep...
The document is dated 28 JAN 20201.
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple gets no revenue from Facebook, their app is free and has no in-app purchases.
Please check the App Store before you make obviously false and easily refutable assertions.
I wish you had posted the constructive form of reply, e.g.:
Recently, Facebook added in-app purchases for things like X.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hmm, looks like a recent feature. I doubt it is particularly large.
> I doubt it is particularly large. Facebook is currently 43 in the list of the top grossing apps. I'm still running iTunes 12.6 which shows these lists.
Ok, so Facebook is the 43 top grossing app. What exactly do you want them to do? Single them out and not allow them to use IAPs?
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#37Note that this article is from 2010, 3 years before Apple joined the NSA's PRISM program approx 6 months after Steve Jobs passed. Jobs reportedly wouldn't go along with it. The data flow is much different now. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants... How about hardware implants? https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/12/30/the-nsa-rep...
> Note that this article is from 2010
Which article? The one above is new.
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#38The way Apple paints this is that it's them vs. evil Facebook. Don't get me wrong, Facebook has certainly overstepped several times in their data mining practices, but a lot of these changes will almost exclusively hurt small and medium sized businesses that have been able to inexpensively reach target customers for niche and/or local products.
First and foremost, no company should benefit from this kind of lopsided non-arrangement to spy/ track me. I don't care if it's Facebook or Bob the window washer, they shouldn't be tracking me this way without permission.
Also, I don't agree that this is going to broadly affect small businesses. I accept that it's possible a few businesses in some places will be hit, but there isn't a ton of evidence that it's going to have a broad impact. Facebook still has massive profiles of users to provide a broad set of ad targeting tools.
The hair dresser down the corner isn't going to lose sleep over this. Nor is my favorite taqueria or sandwich shop.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
This feels to me like Apple creating a convenient Orwellian enemy. They're not even competitors, because Apple doesn't have a social network, Facebook doesn't sell computers, and indeed Facebook is currently among the grossing apps in the iOS App Store, 30% of which Apple gets. If Facebook was as terrible as Apple makes them out to be, why would Apple allow Facebook in their App Store and take 30% of the generated re…
> If Facebook was as terrible as Apple makes them out to be, Where is Apple doing this? Far as I can tell Apple are just saying that people don’t understand how their data is being used, and that companies should educate, and get informed consent. It’s Facebook that’s demonising Apple here, not the other way around. Other than in direct responses to attacks by Facebook, where has Apple even used Facebook’s name?
> Other than in direct responses to attacks by Facebook, where has Apple even used Facebook’s name?
They don't have to use the name. Everyone including the news media knew that Apple was implying Facebook.
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#40Apple knows they're going toe-to-toe with Facebook, and they don't seem to plan to lose.
What part of this document is about Facebook and not Google?
Facebook is at least for the moment the company which is vocally fighting this. Google probably just quietly changed their API to use undetectable fingerprinting.