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Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by mansion7 »

notRobot wrote: post #548
oscribinn wrote: post #498

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to get downvoted for this for sure, but man it's nice to see a hacker news commentator that actually has a pair.

...they have "a pair" because they use words that as a society we've decided shouldn't be used because they're derogatory to a certain group of people?

We didn't decide that.

Just like "we" didn't decide on "latinx" or "woman" or that "white lives matter" and the "ok" gesture were racist.

Our "betters" decided those things on our behalf and simply called us racist misogynist incels if we didn't comply.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by gorgoiler »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #592
gorgoiler wrote: post #556

This is how we end up with the trolls trying to turn the :ok: symbol into hate speech. ...which reminds me: I need to start a letter writing campaign complaining to Apple about peddling sexual imagery (:aubergine:) to minors.

So what...? The swastika used o be an Indian symbol of holiness. Some shitheads started using it, with well-known effects, and that ruined any other possible use. Symbols change, and your pseudo-naive attempts to profess ignorance say more about you than the symbol.

Yes, language evolves and it does so by majority rule, over time.

That’s not the case with :ok: though. I sure don’t get out much, but I see no widespread use in the real world.

What’s actually happening is that, with respect, one or more of the following vocal minorities is pushing for a change-in-meaning:

- white supremacists

- hoaxers / trolls

- virtue signallers

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by Ygg2 »

calpaterson wrote: post #518
technick wrote: post #474

Discord would claim its “hateful and discriminatory content” for anything in the fucked up reality we are currently living in. For instance, if you call someone retarded and a mod doesn't step in, that is considered hateful. Even though retard is in the dictionary and a widely accepted term by many people. Then saying that only retards buy the shit hedgefunds are peddling would also be considered discriminatory. I'm…

The problem for you is that you can make the exactly same argument without the words that people object to and it will upset no one and lie unmoderated. You're being moderated for rudeness and not your opinion.

> You're being moderated for rudeness and not your opinion.

They aren't. I'm in like three different Discords and retard is just another common word.

Why aren't they policed/banned over using retard?

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by Tepix »

swiley wrote: post #515
technick wrote: post #474

Discord would claim its “hateful and discriminatory content” for anything in the fucked up reality we are currently living in. For instance, if you call someone retarded and a mod doesn't step in, that is considered hateful. Even though retard is in the dictionary and a widely accepted term by many people. Then saying that only retards buy the shit hedgefunds are peddling would also be considered discriminatory. I'm…

This is what everyone on discord gets for using an app like this. We all warned you years ago when you moved to it. Mailing lists for slow stuff and IRC for throw away realtime chats.

> This is what everyone on discord gets

A ban for a channel that for after repeated warnings still is full of insults, threats and abusive language? Bravo!

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by Ygg2 »

mansion7 wrote: post #641
notRobot wrote: post #548

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...they have "a pair" because they use words that as a society we've decided shouldn't be used because they're derogatory to a certain group of people?

We didn't decide that. Just like "we" didn't decide on "latinx" or "woman" or that "white lives matter" and the "ok" gesture were racist. Our "betters" decided those things on our behalf and simply called us racist misogynist incels if we didn't comply.

Man that OK Gesture was brilliant psyops by 4chan.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by Jare »

ziftface wrote: post #559
jakelazaroff wrote: post #526

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but I also support the mods’ right to ban them for getting their point across this way. Deplatforming is itself guaranteed by freedom of speech.

I don't think it's this simple. That interpretation of freedom of speech seems a bit literal. The point is that people should have the ability to voice their opinions, and have their voice heard if anyone wants to hear it. Since today that's done primarily through social media sites, blogs, and videos, preventing people from using those mediums is limiting their freedom of speech. And of course I'm not saying there a…

I agree with that in the same way that I agree with strong anti-monopolistic laws, and with the expanded understanding of de-facto monopoly where (for example) Apple/iOS is one despite billions of Android devices.

But I do not think Discord is at that level yet, while Facebook, Twitter and YouTube most definitely are.

All you can reasonably ask a normal company is that they do not act to harm society in their pursuit of profit. And they may argue that they believe the dynamic of WSB is harmful to society. I think that position in this case and for WSB is defensible, and I am yet undecided personally if I actually agree with it or not. (I do believe that WSB may grow to become clearly harmful, but I'm not sure they're there yet)

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by teatree »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #579
gleenn wrote: post #547

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Language isn't about beating people over the head about "mis-using" words, it's about conveying meaning. https://www.thoughtco.com/descriptivism-language-term-169044... I'm going to make an argument for linguistic descriptivism. I've never once thought, in the WSB subreddit, someone calling another an "autist" or a "retard" was ever intended to harm or disrespect people with those literal issues. It's a niche audienc…

„Retard“ has evolved and is universally regarded as an insult these days. Denying this entirely obvious fact is rather hard to square with your claim of being a linguist. The science tends to take a more descriptive approach, and to acknowledge the changing nature of language.

In that case every rapper who says the N**a word in a rap song or calls his buddies that should get banned from all platforms.

A terrorist speaking in an encoded message to cause wilful harm is still liable for it, even if the words don't exactly say that.

Language is all about context.

If we were so strict about language, most Americans wouldn't qualify to graduate 3rd grade for their botched up spelling of British English.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by timendum »

boruto wrote: post #630
Semaphor wrote: post #444

For those wondering why the sub went private for a time: > We have grown to the kind of size we only dreamed of in the time it takes to get a bad nights sleep. We've got so many comments and submissions that we can't possibly even read them all, let alone act on them as moderators. We wrote software to do most of the moderation for us but that software isn't allowed to read the Reddit new feed fast enough and submit…

Cannot they have two or three bots moderating?

Reddit limits API usage mainly for IP, so you need multiple IPs to avoid this issue.

It's not impossible to have multiple instance of the same bot running in parallel, but there are too many race condition and it became too much to handle.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by h_anna_h »

6nf wrote: post #475
technick wrote: post #474

Discord would claim its “hateful and discriminatory content” for anything in the fucked up reality we are currently living in. For instance, if you call someone retarded and a mod doesn't step in, that is considered hateful. Even though retard is in the dictionary and a widely accepted term by many people. Then saying that only retards buy the shit hedgefunds are peddling would also be considered discriminatory. I'm…

I don't agree with the way you get your point across but I support your right to get your point across this way.

I do not. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

If you let people use their freedom of speech to be anti-free-speech we will end up with a society that does not have this freedom. This is the logic on why licenses like the GPL were created, restrict some freedoms in order to keep the rest.

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