The partitioning thing is terrible for people with slow/unstable connections, despite the security gains.
Is there a way to disable it? Or should I better think about installing a caching proxy to avoid the redundant traffic?
Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies
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#172Does this mean I don't need to permanently browse with Incognito now?
Using uBlock, Privacy Badger, Decentraleyes currently.
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allowlist/denylist
You and everyone else who exhibit this are reading into things that don't exist. Language has context, words are part of language and so therefore words have context too.
Exactly. And using white/black as synonyms for good/bad may be creating context (connotations, really) that we don't want. It would be fine if we hadn't already overloaded those words to refer to people... but, here we are. In the context we've created. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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#174"In the case of Firefox’s image cache, a tracker can create a supercookie by “encoding” an identifier for the user in a cached image on one website, and then “retrieving” that identifier on a different website by embedding the same image." Clever. And so frustrating that optimisations need to be turned off due to bad actors.
In Javascript how are they able to retrieve something from the cache? Local, session, and cookies are domain locked.
They load the image URL and observe the loading time. If it's fetched quickly, they know it was from cache. The server (controlled by the advertisers) can intentionally add delay to those image requests that makes detection reliable.
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The Temporary Containers addon[1] does this. Combined with the usual Multi-Account Containers "always open this site in..." mechanism you can have some sites always open in a single container, but all other sites open in temporary containers that get deleted shortly after you close their tab. [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/temporary-con...
I don't want the containers to be transient. I want to be able to persist session cookies and local settings.
I commented on the main post, but First Party Isolation is exactly what you want, and breaks relatively few websites (and there's an extension to turn it on/off if you do use a website it breaks).
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#176These advertising networks are destroying web performance. Most of these "Supercookies" are optimizations to improve performance. By abusing them, advertisers have turned what should be a great performance tool into a liability. I know FF suggests this won't significantly affect most websites performance, but web advertising and trackers are already responsible for a huge chunk of performance issues already. Of cours…
I run a network ad-block dns (pihole) and consistently 25-33% of all my network traffic is blocked as ads. It's much more than I ever imagined. Now I'm used to a different internet, when I'm using internet off the network it's like WTF is this?
Pi-Hole/NextDNS also blocks adds in most apps. I used NextDNS (which has a limit on the free tier), and recently switched to pihole running on my home server. I also use ZeroTier to connect to my server directly even when I am not on my local network to still use it as the DNS server. Works great.
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#177is it just me or more people switching to Firefox these days?
Evergreen comment.
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#178Maybe they should crack down on how awful the UI has become.
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I just stop using sites that gimp themselves when I use an adblocker. There's tons of alternatives for most things.
How do you use the web when you can't click on links? I can't effectively keep a mental black list of all the sites which I don't want to click on.
I don't. I mean, if it's a news site just search for the title in a search engine and you'll find other articles. If it's a web application I search for an alternative and bookmark that. If you really want to avoid even loading it, you can just block the whole site with your adblocker but I don't go that far.
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For more than a decade I've been campaigning (to any of my employers that utilise adverts on their platform) to drop adverts with the primary factor being that of performance for page load. The last time I looked, adverts were adding an additional ~35% load time to the page. Anywhere from 5% to _60%_ (!!) of vistors were navigating away before page load completed (Varied depending on company/product of course) and a…
I often wonder incredulously whether developers responsible for particular sites really comprehend how bad performance has gotten. Browsing threads like this on HN makes it clear that they are probably well aware, but have no choice in the matter. In a way that's even more depressing because only a tiny minority of people are happy with the arrangement.
I walked away from one project. 3rd party scripts were not the only problem but were the last straw.
I have a community site I want to build. If it stays small I can probably run it for $20 a month all in and not pester anyone. But I’m still keeping my eye on some of the saner ad networks that use subject matter instead of user tracking to target ads. That might be an option.
Linus tech tips has a video where he gives us a peek into their finances. Among other things the merchandizing arm makes them about a third of their revenue, and no one advertiser is allowed to pay more than that, so they can maintain a degree of objectivity. I think a lot of us don’t want to approach sponsors so we feel sort of stuck with ad networks.
And I’m not much of a materialist but I’m a tool nerd (you possibly don’t need it, but if you’re gonna buy it, get a really good one) so I’m not sure how I’d do merchandizing, since I’m more likely to recommend a brand than have something made for us. That leaves what? Amazon’s “influencer” BS, which is more money for Amazon? Discount codes, which are untargeted consumerism?