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Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Post by ogre_codes »

biryani_chicken wrote: post #120
pradn wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Question about pihole: is it possible to turn off blocking for a website? Do you have to log into the pihole web interface to do that? I often go to websites where some crucial functionality is blocked by my adblocker (ublock origin), where I have to turn it off for that site.

I just stop using sites that gimp themselves when I use an adblocker. There's tons of alternatives for most things.

How do you use the web when you can't click on links?

I can't effectively keep a mental black list of all the sites which I don't want to click on.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Post by call_me_dana »

minikites wrote: post #49
awefasdfasdf wrote: post #40

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Read 'The age of surveillance capitalism'. Engineers should understand the business models they create.

Engineers don't respect any subject outside of STEM, education like this would fall on deaf ears.

Hi! Systems engineer for two decades now. I have a deep respect for philosophy, natural medicine, photography and the environment. I suspect many other engineers would have interests outside of their profession.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Post by neatze »

jefftk wrote: post #113
cyberpro007 wrote: post #52

Doesn't NoScript do the same job?

No. You can track users across sites with the HTTP cache without running any JS.

I use both ublock and noscript, it was pain for a few weeks to get use to noscript, now I don't see going back using browser without noscript.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Post by sanxiyn »

PaulHoule wrote: post #122
abcd_f wrote: post #68

Per-site caching negates the principal selling point of centrally-hosted JS and resources, including fonts. The convenience remains, but all speed-related perks (due to the resources being reused from earlier visits to unrelated sites) are no more... which is actually great, because it reduces the value that unscrupulous free CDN providers can derive from their "properties". It also means that I can remove fonts.goog…

That idea of having JS files hosted elsewhere always struck me as a Girardian scam (e.g. "everybody else does it") and always getting voted down when I showed people the reality factor. Nobody seemed to think it was hard to host a file before this came along, just as nobody thought it was hard to have a blog before Medium. Of course this creates the apocalyptic possibility that one of these servers could get hacked (…

It's not about being hard, it's about being convenient. Convenience is important. Even trivial convenience.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Post by amenod »

sanxiyn wrote: post #112
amenod wrote: post #107

Good job Mozilla! Do what Google never will - put users' privacy front and center. On a sidenote, I might now re-enable cache that I kept disabled (well - cleared on exit) because of supercookies. I don't care that much if a single page tracks me, but I _really_ don't want Google to track me across sites. If Firefox protected me against that.. they would have one very grateful user. :) EDIT: this also highlights why…

Eh, Google was first to implement this: https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2020/10/http-cache... .

So? Mozilla should still catch up (if/where needed) and surpass Google on all privacy fronts. The goal should be that Google can't track Firefox users in default configuration - rest assured, this will never happen with Chrome/Chromium/Edge, and probably not with any other Chrome-base browser either.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Post by yannoninator »

tolbish wrote: post #75
minikites wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Engineers don't respect any subject outside of STEM, education like this would fall on deaf ears.

That's not true; they respect the sciences. But only sufficiently "hard" ones like chemistry and biology.

science is STEM no?

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Post by paddlesteamer »

paulpauper wrote: post #6

Twitter uses these type of cookies. They even use cookies that do not contain any reference to the twitter domain. It is how they track people who have been suspended on the platform

I wish there could be a way to see which root site set those cookies. For example I wish we could see twtracker.com supercookies are set in some iframe in twitter.com.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Post by WrtCdEvrydy »

kristofferR wrote: post #73
ogre_codes wrote: post #48

These advertising networks are destroying web performance. Most of these "Supercookies" are optimizations to improve performance. By abusing them, advertisers have turned what should be a great performance tool into a liability. I know FF suggests this won't significantly affect most websites performance, but web advertising and trackers are already responsible for a huge chunk of performance issues already. Of cours…

A much more significant performance issue with web tracking is usually the absurd amount of JS loaded. It's almost impressive how they manage to load so much crap. Just visit a site like mediaite.com, the list of trackers is damn long.

It's the chain of analytics.

You load one ad and they want their own analytics or they try to stuff multiple ads into the same slot so you get multiple analytics.

We clocked one ad at 800Mb loaded once.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Post by jniedrauer »

SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #74
jniedrauer wrote: post #63

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I'd like to see something like the firefox container extension automatically open a new container for every unique domain name. It could get tricky for eg. federated logins, so I'm not 100% sure what the implementation would look like. But it'd be nice to have the option.

The Temporary Containers addon[1] does this. Combined with the usual Multi-Account Containers "always open this site in..." mechanism you can have some sites always open in a single container, but all other sites open in temporary containers that get deleted shortly after you close their tab. [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/temporary-con...

I don't want the containers to be transient. I want to be able to persist session cookies and local settings.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Post by xorcist »

paulpauper wrote: post #6

Twitter uses these type of cookies. They even use cookies that do not contain any reference to the twitter domain. It is how they track people who have been suspended on the platform

Browse twitter through nitter and all these problems go away, and it's actually a usable interface on top.
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