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AndrewBissell wrote: post #89
unishark wrote: post #60

> * Herd immunity numbers assume no ongoing vaccination -- they more or less say, "If life went back to normal, would the virus slow down or speed up?" I'd say ongoing vaccination (after herd immunity is reached) is irrelevant to the herd immunity calculation. Is that what you meant? Though we'd obviously still need vaccinations as much of the world will not have herd immunity for a long time, if ever. And certainly…

> Personally I hope we keep a lot of it, at least a long while more. I really hate catching flu's and colds. Are you blissfully unaware of the enormous mental health and developmental problems these measures are causing, or do you just rate those as less important than suffering an occasional mild illness while you eat DoorDash and watch Netflix?

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Post by bioinformatics »

shouldiquitamzn wrote: post #24

This whole thing is hopeless. Mutations will invalidate the vaccine, lockdowns will never fully stop the spread. Year after year, each reinfection you get damages your internals a little more, drastically lowering your life expectancy.

Yes, everyone that is alive today will be dead one day.

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AndrewBissell wrote: post #89
unishark wrote: post #60

> * Herd immunity numbers assume no ongoing vaccination -- they more or less say, "If life went back to normal, would the virus slow down or speed up?" I'd say ongoing vaccination (after herd immunity is reached) is irrelevant to the herd immunity calculation. Is that what you meant? Though we'd obviously still need vaccinations as much of the world will not have herd immunity for a long time, if ever. And certainly…

> Personally I hope we keep a lot of it, at least a long while more. I really hate catching flu's and colds. Are you blissfully unaware of the enormous mental health and developmental problems these measures are causing, or do you just rate those as less important than suffering an occasional mild illness while you eat DoorDash and watch Netflix?

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Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by hanniabu »

downandout wrote: post #157
farnsworth wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish I lived in your reality. Where somebody has a Plan and everything is going as it is supposed to. Unfortunately that is not true. The virus is real.

I'm not sure how you could interpret that comment as saying the virus "isn't real". Of course it's real. I also don't think it was "planned," nor did I imply that. But it's certainly being exploited for political ends.

Exploited how?

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Post by txru »

metamet wrote: post #125
randmeerkat wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m sorry your grandma died.

Thank you. My grandma tested positive on a Monday around a month ago and went into hospice the following Thursday night, when her oxygen dropped. She passed away the following Saturday morning. My girlfriend's grandma also passed from COVID a few weeks ago. When it rains it pours, eh? The whole thing is just horrible to deal with. Not having a chance to say goodbye or go through the grieving process together. It's ju…

My grandma too. A week from first positive test to dying. It must have been very scary for her. No funeral. I found the part that continually makes me melancholy is all of these people alone in the hospital, separated from family, and feeling themselves get worse and worse.

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Post by guscost »

schoen wrote: post #190
guscost wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for sharing, really, but understand that I could also slip into blind hatred over what I see as the suffering you and your culture have caused (not least being caregivers so scared by the hyped-up risk to younger and healthier people that they abandoned patients?!) but that would not be useful. As the minority opinion I’m also more likely to get flagged or banned, and I do use that handicap as a crutch some…

I feel like your point is probably important somehow. Could you make it with more sensitivity and less indignant contrarianism? Remember that you're replying to someone who has just lost a loved one !

Someone who in their grief also wishes me suffering and an agonizing death, perhaps as revenge:

> I wish every single one of them could experience the fear my grandfather did. Stuck in a bed, unable to walk, waiting for a plague to take them as their fellow patients succumb one by one.

Sensitivity is a nice-to-have, but the goal right now is averting outright war. If none of these bubbles can be cracked open, and everyone just keeps lurching toward violence, where it ends will make today’s tragedy look like mild inconvenience.

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Post by hirsin »

11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #45
umvi wrote: post #3

At what number can we stop wearing masks, stop social distancing, start dining in, etc.? That's the number I care about. Because until somebody influential picks that number, we'll just keep masking and social distancing until the end of time.

I believe we can add the vaccinated and the recovered, yes? About 25 million have recovered so far. That puts us at about 12% 'immune'.

Every medical professional I know /am related to has indicated that getting covid only grants 90 days immunity. Across state lines, they all have said that herd immunity visa infection is impossible as it requires everyone to be infected within a three month span.

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AndrewBissell wrote: post #89
unishark wrote: post #60

> * Herd immunity numbers assume no ongoing vaccination -- they more or less say, "If life went back to normal, would the virus slow down or speed up?" I'd say ongoing vaccination (after herd immunity is reached) is irrelevant to the herd immunity calculation. Is that what you meant? Though we'd obviously still need vaccinations as much of the world will not have herd immunity for a long time, if ever. And certainly…

> Personally I hope we keep a lot of it, at least a long while more. I really hate catching flu's and colds. Are you blissfully unaware of the enormous mental health and developmental problems these measures are causing, or do you just rate those as less important than suffering an occasional mild illness while you eat DoorDash and watch Netflix?

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Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by AndrewBissell »

amluto wrote: post #184
AndrewBissell wrote: post #133

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> I’m not sure how much of it is fear of the MRNA vaccine itself, and how much is an objection to the creepy fascist context. Probably a lot of both, and maybe yes a bit too much of the former. I don't think the two concerns are all that neatly separable. I find it impossible not to notice the relentless campaign to put forth _vaccinating everyone with an experimental jab_ as the only legitimate escape from indefinit…

> I don't think the two concerns are all that neatly separable. I find it impossible not to notice the relentless campaign to put forth _vaccinating everyone with an experimental jab_ as the only legitimate escape from indefinite lockdowns and distancing. Who said that? There are quite a few ways out: we can reach a state of herd immunity (as a practical matter, this would mean that going back to normal would result…

W.r.t. vitamin D I was referring to supplementation to prevent deficiency in the first place, not to administering shots as treatment to desperately try and get the levels back up once an infection reaches an advanced state.

I find any "the required dose for in vitro neutralization is too high" reasoning to be dubious for the simple reason that we are not trying to battle the virus in vitro. A good meta-analysis on ivermectin: https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-148845/v1 There are also some accounts of possible successful use as prophylactic in Chiapas and India but I'm not familiar with any studies on that subject.

HCQ appears effective when combined with a TMPRSS2 inhibitor: https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/j...

In the vaccine trial, when suspected COVID cases are included (they dwarfed the confirmed positive tests used in the 95% number), the effectiveness estimate drops to 19%-29%: https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/04/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-...

I don't really feel any cognitive dissonance in observing that the same TPTB (if you prefer that term to "they") which clearly strongly desires that everyone gets a jab is not necessarily all that competent at running the administration and logistics side, particularly not on the enormously compressed timescales which have characterized Operation Warp Speed.

Japan used to be included in the usual lists of "here's how it's done" countries until they had some relatively significant community spread this winter. New Zealand has been in their summer but just reported their first case of community spread in months as their autumn gets underway -- being an easily isolated island I imagine they might have more success keeping things under control, but if Covid goes endemic I don't expect lockdowns to halt it in its tracks there any better than they have in the US or Europe. I don't buy China's numbers given that they have laughably reported a single Covid-19 death for a country of 1.4B people in the last 8 months, and find including them on a list characterized by "minimal invasion of peoples' freedom" bizarre.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by balia »

umvi wrote: post #3

At what number can we stop wearing masks, stop social distancing, start dining in, etc.? That's the number I care about. Because until somebody influential picks that number, we'll just keep masking and social distancing until the end of time.

Ya once I’m vaccinated, I’m done. The health officials have lied “for the greater good” for too long. CDC lied saying masks are not useful when they wanted to conserve

I imagine they’ll lie again and say something like 70%. Screw the “vAcCiNe iSnT 100%”. Nothing is sure. But we gotta keep going w our lives

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