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Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by philwelch »

pseudalopex wrote: post #952
philwelch wrote: post #948

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> The last shooting did involve armed protesters working as security guards. It wasn't a case of mistaken identity though. The teenagers drove at the barricades minutes after erratically driving through the occupied park. Setting aside the notion of gunmen manning barricades on public streets here—the SUV they fired on was, by many reports, a different SUV from the vehicle before. Regardless, this is still the exact…

The city placed the barricades. People driving into protesters was common.[1] Other people had threatened to harm the Seattle protesters. The police had abandoned the area. Carrying guns on public streets is legal there. The SUV the guards shot was recorded driving through the park. Many reports said shots were fired from that vehicle. They didn't find any guns so probably not. Internet detectives decided the shots w…

If the police had committed the exact same shooting, you wouldn’t be making excuses for it.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by pstuart »

LarvaFX wrote: post #787
three_seagrass wrote: post #747

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95% of meteors don't even hit the ground, and most of those that do are just pebble sized. Are you really trying to compare Black Lives Matter to a mass extinction event? Edit: Okay, you've massively edited your comment. A single gender reveal party caused more property damage than all the BLM protests combined. I do not get this continued obsession with BLM protests, especially in conversations regarding the insurre…

Well, it is racism. Watching America from the outside, it is quite obvious. Blacks from my country visiting America experience a culture shock how they are treated there compared to here; for context.

Absolutely -- as they only focus on the violence that has occurred and never acknowledge that the protests themselves are warranted.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by JohnBooty »

exporectomy wrote: post #718
JohnBooty wrote: post #107

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It's chilling how quickly misinformation merchants, hostile foreign agents, and other bad actors coalesced around using popular mainstream social media as the world's most effective megaphone. A scant few years ago, they lacked a direct communications channel by which they could radicalize the average American.

How can you explain the radical leftists of the 1960's then? Somehow the Russians (Soviets) must have (I assume you believe it was caused by them) had a communications channel by which they could radicalize all those college students.

What?

What you typed bears little resemblance to anything I claimed.

Yes, I lumped hostile foreign countries in with other sorts of hostile actors. However, I did not claim that they were the only kinds of hostile actors. Nor did I even claim that they were the worst.

Summarizing my views as "the Russians cause everything" is... just wow.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by wutbrodo »

philwelch wrote: post #930
wutbrodo wrote: post #896

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> If you aren’t wallowing in a post-truth groupthink bubble, the world of today is really uncomfortable and lonely sometimes. I dunno... For the most part, my close friends are too intelligent to have this tendency (likely not a coincidence, but implicit assortative matching), but I have a couple close friends and many less-close friends who aren't. It seems to bring them a lot of emotional pain and frustration. If y…

From inside a groupthink bubble, it seems like your half of the population are reasonable and logical people who are destined to win in the end, and the other side are an irrational and stupid cult. Which is definitely stressful, but at least there's the relief of thinking that your side are the good guys. It's a lot more bleak when you realize there are virtually no good guys, and a lot of the people who might seem…

> It's a lot more bleak when you realize there are virtually no good guys, and a lot of the people who might seem like good guys at first are either grifting or gazed too deeply into the abyss.

It's more to grapple with philosophically, but it's much easier day to day. Having a model of the world that makes sense instead of expecting people to be more intelligent or decent than they are just makes everything go more smoothly. At least, that's my experience.

And it's not as misanthropic or nihilistic as it sounds. I have friends whom I wouldn't consider particularly intelligent, and the ability to accept that about them makes for much smoother interactions and over time has led to deeper connections over other parts of our respective characters/personalities.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by kortilla »

wernercd wrote: post #725
kortilla wrote: post #669

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Because there is plenty coverage of Republican sleaze. The mistake is in thinking one set of politicians is “doing the right thing”. Additionally, as of tomorrow the Republicans are irrelevant when it comes to the selecting a party to lobby. Democrats control the house, the senate, and the presidency. Keep their coffers lined and you keep the regulation at bay.

Except Democrats are promising regulation, taxes and the like. IE the mistaken thought that Democrats won't remove 230 - despite Obama, Biden, etc all saying they want to remove it (if for different reasons than Trump, etc) https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/17/21070403/joe-biden-presid... And with promises of Paris Accord, Green New Steal and removal of stuff like the Keystone Pipeline... It's funny to think "democrat…

> It's funny to think "democrat control" and "keep regulations at bay" could be included in the same paragraph.

Well that’s been how Democrat control has worked out at the federal level for the last 50 years or so. Regulation does indeed get passed, but it’s against narrow industries (e.g. natural resource extraction).

Given the revolving door between the biggest tech companies and the Biden/Obama administration, I suspect that will magically escape anything beyond superficial changes.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by thelastwave »

King-Aaron wrote: post #532
sojournerc wrote: post #508

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This thread started with you saddened at folks downplaying the events at the Capitol. I'm much more concerned with the media being complicit in downplaying what we both agree is domestic terrorism elsewhere. I suppose that's a "what about", but I fear the current structures of power colluding to form narratives more than angry trumpers.

So, there's a few things to unpack here. 1. I don't (personally) agree that the 'black lives matter' protests should be considered as 'terrorism', because fundamentally they began as a protest against the systematic mistreatment of a certain race/demographic of people. While it can be viewed as political, it's not quite the same as 'storming the capital of a country to overturn the result of an election', which is un…

No, BLM began in reaction to a hispanic person shooting a black person who was beating him up, and directly led to unprovoked and extremely violent attacks by blacks on white people, literally saying "This is for Trayvon!"

BLM does not really address the underlying problem of conflict but has led to acts of murder and terrorism in the name of racial justice.

It is part of the problem, not a solution.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by pseudalopex »

philwelch wrote: post #961
pseudalopex wrote: post #952

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The city placed the barricades. People driving into protesters was common.[1] Other people had threatened to harm the Seattle protesters. The police had abandoned the area. Carrying guns on public streets is legal there. The SUV the guards shot was recorded driving through the park. Many reports said shots were fired from that vehicle. They didn't find any guns so probably not. Internet detectives decided the shots w…

If the police had committed the exact same shooting, you wouldn’t be making excuses for it.

Correcting falsehoods isn't making excuses.

I would want to know why the police didn't set up a safer perimeter or have spike strips. They have resources volunteers don't. But they have a moral duty to protect other people when they reasonably believe lives are in danger. And people there believed their lives were in danger.

What I might say in another situation is irrelevant anyway. Someone can be right for the wrong reasons.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by _-david-_ »

passwordreset wrote: post #921
_-david-_ wrote: post #424

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Some of the black people who were shot by cops were in all likelihood not innocent. Look at Jacob Blake for example. He came at the cops with a knife. Blake did survive though. Just because one event raises the temperature doesn't mean another event also doesn't. Saying ACAB and defund the police seems like it would also raise the temperature.

I looked at the Jacob Blake video. You said 'He came at the cops with a knife.' If the video is accurate, then that is untrue. There was no provocation by Jacob Blake with a knife or any other weapon shown in that video. He was shot in the back multiple times while getting in to his car, and there was no knife in his hand when the trigger was pulled. It's possible that he may have possessed a knife or that there was…

Jacob Blake, himself, admitted he had a knife (prior to the video that is circulating) when he was fighting with cops. He did literally came at cops with a knife.

Shortly after that he went into the car where there was another knife. He already showed he was willing to do violence towards cops with a knife prior to the video so when he went for a second one they shot him.

I never meant to imply he was shot when he was coming at the cops with a knife. It is not clear based on the video if he was coming towards the cops right when he is shot. He was moving around in the car and may have made moves towards the cops, but I cannot tell based on the video.

To suggest there was no imminent danger is non-sense. Jacob Blake just struggled with cops while holding a knife.

Of course if you look at more than just a couple second video you would know this.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by cochne »

at_a_remove wrote: post #158
cochne wrote: post #143

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Can you provide a source please?

I could, but why not search for it? As an exciting exercise, look at who reported it and, more interestingly, who didn't. Examine how the event was described, when it was described at all.

I only asked after searching for it failing to find a good source
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