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Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by sudosysgen »

hkmaxpro wrote: post #219
sudosysgen wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I asked for either a single source or many sources with an identical methodology.

Funny how you asked others to “use a single source that contains the numbers”, and yet you make arguments without providing any sources, as you did in your other comment I linked above. How do we know your arguments aren’t “based on really really shaky data”?

No one provided sources here. A partial source was provided by the other commenter. But if you ask, the source for inflation control is OECD inflation data, the source for Tokyo GTA GDP per capita is Wikipedia/SCMP, and the source for Beijing administrative region GDP is official national numbers.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by novok »

sudosysgen wrote: post #163
novok wrote: post #153

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I think that is an unreasonable request for rigor for a casual internet forum comment. That amount of rigor you have to pay for, and at this point I think it's reasonable for you to do your own research and present such normalized numbers.

It really isn't much to ask for. If you're making arguments based on really really shaky data you should not be making them at all. Comparing OECD regions to Chinese administrative metro areas is really quite absurd. The variance in Montréal for example depending on what you call a city can be almost 2x. For example, if you take the Tokyo Metro Area, you find a GDP per capita of 48k, with a PPP ratio of 0.98 we get 4…

If it really isn't much to ask for, then it should be no problem for you to provide it no?

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by anthony_barker »

stunt wrote: post #79
etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #7

They want to block Github entirely because Github allows for the free flow of information (politically sensitive information, not just code) and they don't have a way of doing currently without just blocking all of Github... Which would be bad for business, and China also seems to be entering the software business in a bigger way. Actually, if you want to send large amounts of text information to users in China right…

No, I don't think it's about blocking Github. Many of their tech companies are using open source. For China it's safer to have a Chinese Github ecosystem. Just imagine if Github suddenly decide to block Chinese users like they did for Iranian users. It's also strategic for their government and some critical private sector to not put their source code on an American platform. So there are enough incentives especially…

github = microsoft = it will be changed to work within the china system

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by PoignardAzur »

ggm wrote: post #132

Sometimes, people write as if the authorities in China really believe they can e.g. cease to teach people how to read and write, and speak a common tongue. I know nobody here is quite that stupid, (although it bears mentioning the more theocratically regressive nation states we have around the world do actually do this, to women) -So this is at some level only a rhetorical complaint. People need to understand that th…

Thank you.

There's a growing trend of people who would are otherwise vocal supporters of open-source suddenly being suspicious when a government they don't like uses open-source technology for their own gain, without asking Westerners for permission first. That's kind of the point?

A lot of people act like Chinese people don't understand concepts like accountability, transparency or open dialogue and therefore any open-source tool will be doomed to fail if it isn't controlled by wiser Western interests.

Open-source either is an universal concept or it isn't. Yes, the Chinese government will probably want some degree of control over their platform and will suppress free speech that threatens them, and yes, that's bad. But that doesn't mean open-source stops being a desirable thing as soon as the Chinese are doing it.

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Post by PoignardAzur »

wolco5 wrote: post #60
pupdogg wrote: post #5

I've heard the phrase that "Competition is good for business" but never in the context "Competition is good for open source"

Linux vs FreeBsd? Open vs Star Office? kde vs gnome python 2 vs 3?

One of these is not like the others.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by zizee »

beerandt wrote: post #184
zizee wrote: post #66

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Honest question: are you suggesting that microsoft buying github makes it harder for the Chinese government to access the servers?

No (well ultimately yes, but not the point)- it's easier for US govt access. China doesn't trust that for its users, whether right or wrong.

Thanks for the clarification, that makes more sense.

Personally, I would think microsoft would be easier to "motivate" to share given they probably have more investments in china which could be used as leverage.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by eunos »

londons_explore wrote: post #209
archibaldJ wrote: post #205

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> So far there isn't much opensource written in China There are lots of opensource written in China. I think you have mistaken my stance on this. The Chinese open-source microcosmos are pretty cool. It's just that I have yet seen anything reactjs-great[1], let alone linux-great. Here are some github repos by the big players: Ant - https://github.com/ant-design TaroJS - https://github.com/NervJS Tencent - https://gith…

But it's still small when you look at the population of China, or the size of Chinas tech industry.

Remember that Chinese companies and peoples also contributed heavily to "Western" Open Source, from Linux kernel to Apache Spark. It should be a borderless world in Open Source ecosystem.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Post by dragonsngoblins »

justinclift wrote: post #180
dragonsngoblins wrote: post #176

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> Just imagine if Github suddenly decide to block Chinese users like they did for Iranian users Wait I thought India blocked github, not that github blocked India. Or has there been a whole thing I've missed?

Guessing you misread that? It was "Iran", not "India". ;)

Oh. I'm an idiot
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