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Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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If they're going to do that, couldn't they at least improve upon GitHub in some meaningful way (perhaps tailored towards their culture)? Looking at its repos, it's a literal GitHub clone.... totally shameless copy.

Including "Gitee Enterprise" and similar. ;)

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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why not? Private repositories, probably not, but open source libs/gems definitely.

The simple reason - you don't trust the host to keep your content up if it infringe's on anything deem it to infringe upon. 100% would never host anything up there.

Do you trust AWS? Azure? If you fear the state, the risk is the same. You can for example mirror your gitlab repository there. I think you are being to radical.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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why not? Private repositories, probably not, but open source libs/gems definitely.

Why would you support such a regime?

Well hosting a mirror from my open source project don't make me endorse any regime. I host my code in github and gitlab not because I endorse their countries. Your code being hosted there supports the local people there, developers that, like you and me, just want to survive and ship code.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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I assume it also has just as much to do with Microsoft buying it. See also: skype. Not just because they don't want Chinese code stored on foreign servers, but because they want it on servers they have easy access to. Even if this is far-fetched, it's not about what we think, but the risk China perceives.

Honest question: are you suggesting that microsoft buying github makes it harder for the Chinese government to access the servers?

No (well ultimately yes, but not the point)- it's easier for US govt access. China doesn't trust that for its users, whether right or wrong.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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>It's not just most-improved, it's actually the best economic system in large countries (thus more easily corrupt) that were not benefactors of classical imperialism if all you care about is development. This is simply an incontrovertible fact - India, Nigeria, Congo, etc... were in similar initial conditions and fared much worse economically. Compared to countries with a similar culture/demographics: Hong Kong, Kore…

Japan was a benefactor of Imperialism - its like comparing Algeria and France. Singapore, Hong Kong, and Taiwan are city states and completely incomparable, and South Korea also heavily used state capitalism and incredibly non-liberal policies until it got richer than where China is at right now. It's also a much smaller country. As for the rest, you're completely missing the point. Liberal capitalism's single greate…

Surely you mean beneficiary

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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CCP China is thriving because of liberal capitalism -- the flood of hard currency that otherwise was unobtainable made all the difference. CCP China should build monuments to President Bush (#41) and President Clinton. Otherwise they would have went the way of the USSR. edit: and President Bush (#43) for making most-favored-nation trading status with CCP China permanent.

Maybe the people who live there, set the policy and literally built everything deserve a little credit?

Credit is due for taking advantage of the west's naivete and greed.

Most-favored-nation (MFN) trade status renewal came with conditions. Few if any were met by CCP China and yet American administrations continually renewed MFN for CCP China. Ultimately President Bush (#43) made it permanent.

They opened the door that enabled CCP China to drink the West's milkshake.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

#189
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They want to block Github entirely because Github allows for the free flow of information (politically sensitive information, not just code) and they don't have a way of doing currently without just blocking all of Github... Which would be bad for business, and China also seems to be entering the software business in a bigger way. Actually, if you want to send large amounts of text information to users in China right…

No, I don't think it's about blocking Github. Many of their tech companies are using open source. For China it's safer to have a Chinese Github ecosystem. Just imagine if Github suddenly decide to block Chinese users like they did for Iranian users. It's also strategic for their government and some critical private sector to not put their source code on an American platform. So there are enough incentives especially…

Yes, because there's no precedent of China blocking services for reasons of censorship and top down control whatsoever.

Re: China wants to build an open source ecosystem to rival GitHub

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Visiting China (Shanghai, Beijing, Nanking, Hangzhou) they all seemed like modern cities. Shops, restaurants, enormous shopping centers, coffeeshops, co-working spaces, theaters, bars, dance clubs, etc... Other than knowing I happened to be in China it certainly appear that in day to day life things are pretty good and the experience of living is similar to living in any modern western city.

China's newfound prosperity is HEAVILY concentrated in ~100 huge cities. Smaller cities are poorer but livable like eastern europe. The countryside is basically a third world country. Traveling through US or Europe you won't find people living in cinderblock shacks with a dirt floor and no plumbing. In China it's still the norm outside of cities. There's not anybody starving to death, but I wouldn't consider China a…

So it's just like the US but they don't outsource the third world and don't let them starve
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