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Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by a1369209993 »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #154
treeman79 wrote: post #57

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I actually had a loop in background that would kill -9 various services every few seconds until I finally got them all uninstalled.

If you can kill -9 it sounds like it could have been uninstalled?

You need to kill -9 the denial-of-service-causing services so you can actually interact with the system in order to delete them. (I used to have to do this with organizational Windows machines before I realized I could boot off a livecd and either rm -rf them, or just install a real operating system; I assume OSX/MBP is similar.)

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by omgwtfbyobbq »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #81
lmilcin wrote: post #54

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I left Intel years ago to get almost 3x the salary as a software developer at... a bank. At Intel engineers are paid supposedly similar rates at similar levels and similar locations. And given my level (two levels above Senior Developer) I estimate I was paid better than at least 90% engineers. Where I worked in R&D the doors were constantly revolving and many people admitted they wait to register enough of prestigio…

I've been approached by headhunters for contract work at Intel. They want all kinds of machine learning knowledge & experience and the pay is.... $45/hr. I kid you not. I just sort of laugh and tell them that that's about 1/3 of market rate for that kind of thing.

Yikes. As part of my company's (F500) DS group, I'm at < $40/hour. Granted, I'm essentially doing software dev, which is a little out of my wheelhouse, and I was just a technical BSA before this, but still... To be fair, I also have a lot of latitude and was able to work remote prior to covid. Once the vaccines are rolled out and I can find someone for some of my caretaking role, looking elsewhere is a priority.

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by Goosee »

smeyer wrote: post #235
Goosee wrote: post #89

A bit off topic but I remember when Intel set up a special career fair presentation for my major. I forget the specific role the manager was hiring for, but it sounded like a quality/reliability engineer. Basically run a bunch of tests, identify and analyze errors on newly manufactured equipment. I immediately lost interest when the manager said the role would either work until 9 PM or start the next day at 4 AM due…

>I sold all my intel stock the next day [late 2019], it made up most of my portfolio at the time. Sorry if this is too off-topic, but why did it make up a sizable fraction of your portfolio in the first place?

When I was young, my family made me put all of my christmas/birthday money into the stock market. Intel was suggested by an adult family member who did not have a tech background. That made up a majority of my portfolio. The rest of my portfolio was allocated to a stock I chose, Apple.

Reason for Apple: At my elementary school, everyone loved using the Power Mac G5's during computer lab. Every kid had/wanted an iPod or iTouch (and eventually iPhone).

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Post by Jtsummers »

munk-a wrote: post #215
Jtsummers wrote: post #172

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Financial companies, pharmaceutical companies, automotive companies, aircraft (component or manufacturing) companies. They all fail to understand the criticality of software and IT to their long term objectives, and greatly undervalue people in those fields. A recurring issue I've found is, "Jack the EE picked up programming in a week, why are you worth as much or more than him when you aren't even a 'real' engineer?…

I disagree - non-software companies feel entitled to price employees based in relation to their peers rather than in relation to the value they add to the business (and possibly misuse their tech labour because they never hired an architect that could actually steer it to be as valuable as it could be) but Jack the EE might be a perfectly servicable developer. There's a lot of theory we learn in school that Jack woul…

I don't see how you're disagreeing with me. I didn't say that Jack the EE couldn't be a perfectly serviceable developer. I've worked with a number who are (and a few who excelled). My point is that the management teams (with no one with software experience) perceive one specific person's relative ease at picking up programming as the general case for programming. This causes them to underestimate what it takes to actually build up the software portion of their business. This happens especially for non-software companies in the same way that software companies might underestimate the difficulty of other fields (how many startups have we seen posted here on HN that are composed of primarily programmers and think they'll revolutionize the fashion industry, the car audio industry, or the banking industry?).

And since management teams in large companies tend to grow out of whichever departments are the primary domains, if software is always seen as tertiary then managers with software background are consistently absent or too few to clear up this confusion.

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giantg2 wrote: post #233
munk-a wrote: post #217

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Well, honestly, if that's your opinion then change your circumstances - work on your resume and get a job with higher compensation, they certainly exist and the requirements for them and expectations on them are far lower than you think... And, most importantly, the price for failure is negligible. If you're a wiz with databases in your current position and are considering moving to a fancy silicon valley job with hi…

There really aren't many FileNet or Neoxam options out there. My wife refuses to relocate, so I'm stuck where I am.

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Post by leesalminen »

giantg2 wrote: post #201
leesalminen wrote: post #169

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Here in Boulder $100/hr is the cheapest you can find for a freelance developer worth their salt.

I'm just worthless

I find that to be highly unlikely seeing that you’ve been a part of the HN community for under 2 years and have nearly the same karma as me after 7. You clearly have something interesting to say! My email is in my profile. Hit me up to chat if you’d like :). Maybe I can help you somehow.

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by mywittyname »

jtsiskin wrote: post #47
mikewarot wrote: post #36

If he's going to focus on maximizing threads instead of performance per thread, they'll come out on top. The race to make a single instruction thread move ever faster has obviously hit its limits as the main driver of overall compute performance. If they keep pushing the old model of ever more GHz, they'll fail.

That depends on if developers can be convinced to actually use multiple threads...

Threading is very widely adopted today. Most programs that you use everyday will spawn hundreds or thousands of threads.

Several languages today have features to manage thread creation, pooling, and task execution with minimal developer involvement. Coroutine & promise libraries are widely available in many languages and developers are generally comfortable with using them anymore.

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Post by batty_alex »

munk-a wrote: post #204
giantg2 wrote: post #152

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I have a salary that would work our to less than $45/hr, with extra hours dragging it down further.

Most people do - but don't hesitate to put more value in your labour and look for other career opportunities. The world is pretty unjust at a basic level and if you're waiting for someone to acknowledge your excellence and land a big payday in your lap you'll be waiting for a long time. A big piece of career advice I have for any folks that feel like they're in dead-ends or are just getting started is that, in modern…

> A big piece of career advice I have for any folks that feel like they're in dead-ends or are just getting started is that, in modern society, you should be constantly expending time and energy to ensure you're in the most personally rewarding position - the world is a cruel place where the socially awkward and introverted have a constant uphill battle to not be exploited.

This was both uplifting and an apt commentary on how to survive in the modern age.

Well said.

> Oh and we're all super lucky to be in tech because in a lot of other fields there is just no way to advance yourself.

I feel like this is a pretty cynical take. Really, what's happening is that more and more jobs are becoming tech jobs. It may not be as glamorous as going to stand-ups each morning, but there's plenty of opportunity out there and we're just in an awkward transition period where societies are trying to play catch-up with, historically-speaking, a lot of changes in a short amount of time.

Whether that transition ends with peace or chaos is going to depend on how easy the transition is made for everyone

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Post by theflyinghorse »

avs733 wrote: post #118
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #9

This is an encouraging move. My secondhand understanding was that Intel was losing top talent due to pressure to pay closer to median industry compensation. Top engineers recognized they were underpaid and left the company. I've been part of a similar downhill slide at a smaller company in the billion dollar revenue range. To be blunt, once the [mediocre] MBAs start realizing that the engineers are getting paid more…

I worked in an Intel Fab for a couple years. I walked out the door of Intel one day in 2011 (longer and irrelevant story). Within a week I had a job offer in hand from a competitor for over 2x the money.

> longer and irrelevant story I beg to differ! In the light of these news I would be very interested to get a glimps at Intel's inner workings

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by mhh__ »

volta87 wrote: post #193
sradman wrote: post #78

In my estimation, Intel has four categories in which it is being outperformed by key competitors: 1. TSMC/Samsung - fabrication 2. AMD/Amazon-Graviton - Cloud Server 3. Apple-M1/AMD - Laptop 4. Nvidia/Amazon - Cloud ML/DL Accelerator Intel has made giant blunders in the past (e.g. Itanium [1], Atom [2], WiMAX [3]) but I'm not sure that any of these past challenges were equivalent to the current four-front war. I woul…

In which category is Intel not being outperformed by competitors?

Money. Intel's operating income is about 66 times bigger than AMD's for example.

Intel will probably never get a run like the last decade, but they have enough market share and money to get themselves back on track.

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