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Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by listless »

Vinnl wrote: post #799
e40 wrote: post #268

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A coworker has a lot of conservative friends. All of them were banned from FB until the 23rd. Even her daughter, who has never written any posts supporting DJT, but liked a few posts, was banned for the same time frame. I've read absolutely nothing about this in the news. She even shared a screenshot one of her friends shared with her. It said: "Your account is restricted right now. You're temporarily restricted from…

If anyone has links to such pages - I don't really use my Facebook, so I'd be happy to give them a "like" and see what happens.

This is a good idea. I’ll help too.

Can someone post a link to something we could like that’s an objectively harmless right-wing meme?

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by NoPicklez »

mberning wrote: post #618
teachrdan wrote: post #326

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From the article: "The Secret Service said in a statement on Saturday that six protesters were arrested in Washington and “multiple” officers were injured. There were no details on the charges or nature of the injuries. A spokesman for US park police said their officers made no arrests, but several suffered minor injuries and one was taken to a hospital after being struck in the helmet by a projectile." A few injurie…

You seem to forget or ignore that one capitol rioter was shot in the neck/face and died. One officer allegedly died from a head strike from a fire extinguisher. Another committed suicide. I am not aware of any officer being beaten to death by the mob. One officer was caught in a door but survived.

I believe the person who died from the the head strike from the fire extinguisher was the officer who got beaten to death.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by jackson1442 »

philwelch wrote: post #936
runarberg wrote: post #934

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Be that as it may, and maybe they shouldn’t be free. But I don’t think they should be in prison either. You can have your freedom punitively stripped away from you without being held in prison.

I agree they shouldn't be in prison. They should be dead. One of them is.

The problem with capitol punishment is that it's irrevocable. Even though we know these people committed these heinous crimes, there's going to be a line for where it's not ok to sentence someone to death because the proof is not airtight. When cases are close to that line, there's always the chance that they weren't actually guilty. I believe this will be the case no matter where that line is.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by DrScump »

three_seagrass wrote: post #926
masonic wrote: post #801

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No, they didn't. FBI charging documents make zero references to any of the OK defendants possessing any form of lethal, or even irritant, gas weapons.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. FBI charging documents do make references to the telecommunications of the OK defendants, where they are trying to trap and gas congress people under the capitol.

Hrm. You made a very specific (and false) claim, got called on it, and now you say "references to... trying to..." in apparent attempt to weasel around it.

Neither the FBI nor Capitol Police has made claim that any lethal gas was present, period. Not in possession of "Oath Keepers" or otherwise. Not in "underground tunnels" or anywhere else.

No reputable news agency seems to be claiming thus, either.

So, the burden is on the claimant to show that this isn't pure narrative fantasy.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by masonic »

philwelch wrote: post #823
masonic wrote: post #797

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He offered to dispatch NG, but that request legally had to come from the Capitol Police (which does not report to the Administration branch in any way), just like NG can't be deployed in states without the governor specifically requesting same and declaring a formal State of Emergency. "Not just a good idea... It's the law ."

Technically, couldn’t he have invoked the Insurrection Act?

From Wikipedia: "Before invoking the powers under the Act, 10 U.S.C. § 254 requires the President to first publish a proclamation ordering the insurgents to disperse."

It hasn't been invoked without state/local request since Kennedy.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by sluice »

masonic wrote: post #801
three_seagrass wrote: post #741

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The FBI divulged this morning that the Oath Keepers, a right-wing militia, were trying to trap congress members in the underground tunnels of the capitol to gas them.

No, they didn't. FBI charging documents make zero references to any of the OK defendants possessing any form of lethal, or even irritant, gas weapons.

masonic is ignoring the possibility that "gas" talk was figurative. It was reported that Oathkeeper Thomas Edward Caldwell received facebook messages during the insurrection: “Tom all legislators are down in the Tunnels 3floors down,” and “Go through back house chamber doors facing N left down hallway down steps,” and “All members are in the tunnels under capital seal them in. Turn on gas,” according to the FBI.

Perhaps "seal them in, turn on gas" was a figurative way of saying "trap them and kill them". Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/conspiracy...

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by retox »

philwelch wrote: post #806
neartheplain wrote: post #571

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In fact, the feds had besieged Ruby Ridge in the first place due to Randy Weaver's far-right connections. They wanted to flip him as an informant on the Aryan Nations [0], a white nationalist group with ties to deadly terror cells like The Order [1]. To this end, they threatened him with the weapons charge that led to the the siege at Ruby Ridge, and ultimately to the shooting deaths of Samuel and Vicky Weaver. So fa…

Another way of looking at it is that the federal government entrapped Randy Weaver on weapons charges when he didn’t want to do their leg work, and when he didn’t show up to court, they killed his entire family. In other words, taking terrorism “seriously” sometimes is done in ways that involve killing innocent people and inciting more blowback in the long run.

>and when he didn’t show up to court, they killed his entire family.

This is true, but it misses the nuance that the letter ordering him to attend court had the wrong date listed on it. Makes the assault on the family even more egregious.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by philwelch »

pseudalopex wrote: post #937
philwelch wrote: post #811

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Within a few blocks of where I used to live, armed “protesters” physically seized control of a police station and city park and committed four shootings—ironically, the last of these entailed the armed “security” forces misidentifying and opening fire on two black teenagers, killing one of them.

Sounds like you're talking about Seattle. I followed the news enough to know you've misrepresented it. Unarmed protesters wanted to protest in front of the police station. The police blocked them. The protests grew day by day because the police kept escalating to violence. Then the police suddenly abandoned the station and the area. The protesters didn't ask for it. The mayor and police chief denied ordering it. The…

> The last shooting did involve armed protesters working as security guards. It wasn't a case of mistaken identity though. The teenagers drove at the barricades minutes after erratically driving through the occupied park.

Setting aside the notion of gunmen manning barricades on public streets here—the SUV they fired on was, by many reports, a different SUV from the vehicle before.

Regardless, this is still the exact type of incident that they were supposedly protesting against in the first place.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by CRConrad »

aerosmile wrote: post #654
filoeleven wrote: post #613

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That’s a fair take concerning the Capitol police (who are a separate force from DC police, just FYI). But even the calls to have the National Guard on standby, given new intel 1 or 2 days before the event that it was going to be bigger than expected, were denied before the event. Then when things began to escalate, calls for National Guard assistance were denied by the Pentagon for at least a full hour. In a rapidly-…

You’re onto something there. But it’s more a means to a political end, as opposed to another data point of systemic racism. Both are awful, but not entirely correlated in this instance.

Using these violent incidents as “a means to a political end” is the very definition of terrorism.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by CRConrad »

masonic wrote: post #794
tigershark wrote: post #782

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They had homemade bombs. They had firearms. They had bags full of restraints. Their intent was to kidnap and kill the politicians and they almost succeeded if it wasn’t for the hero that killed the terrorist that was breaching the only door left between them and the politicians. You are disingenuous if for you this wasn’t a terrorist attack just because they didn’t succeed and only managed to kill some cops instead o…

They had homemade bombs. They had firearms. They had bags full of restraints. How many functional "bombs" were deployed? How many people were shot (by trespassers)? How many abductions occurred?

So a bungled incompetent terrorist attack isn't a terrorist attack?
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