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Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by mtgx »

alwaysdoit wrote: post #138
stretchcat wrote: post #78

It was planned for months, openly on Facebook in plain view of everybody. Remember that when politicians call for more intrusive surveillance in response.

Yeah, it's weird that the discussion has centered around censorship, rather than like... why didn't law enforcement shut this down sooner? Or at least properly prepare for it?

That's actually what happens in cases of terrorism, too.

Law enforcement/spy agencies are never blamed for not catching them sooner, even though most of the time they were already on their terror watch lists and even arrested for similar stuff.

But "somehow" the discussion always shifts to the government needing more surveillance powers to catch them next time.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by tigershark »

nostromo wrote: post #421
whoknew1122 wrote: post #266

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Far-right terrorism in the US has never really been taken seriously. No one took them seriously. Until the Capitol was attacked. The Feds are starting to roll up high ranking militia members, so hopefully they learned their lesson this time.

The rush to call the storming of the capitol terrorism is really misplaced. By adopting words like "terrorism" you're paving the way for an overreaching response from lawmakers and law enforcement -- something that will likely end up being used against a cause you might support, like BLM. Firstly, nobody was terrorized. No, this wasn't "our 9/11." I doubt it'll even be a topic of conversation in a few years, just lik…

They had homemade bombs. They had firearms. They had bags full of restraints. Their intent was to kidnap and kill the politicians and they almost succeeded if it wasn’t for the hero that killed the terrorist that was breaching the only door left between them and the politicians. You are disingenuous if for you this wasn’t a terrorist attack just because they didn’t succeed and only managed to kill some cops instead of some politicians.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by alkonaut »

pageandrew wrote: post #169
9wzYQbTYsAIc wrote: post #24

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It’s based on capacity to moderate, not on an arbitrary ratio.

The idea that a fledgling social media company needs a moderation effort akin to Facebook in order to be allowed to even exist seems very anti-competitive to me. Content still slips through the cracks on Facebook too. Parler had a moderation system in place, although it was jury-driven and not centralized.

> The idea that a fledgling social media company needs a moderation effort akin to Facebook in order to be allowed to even exist seems very anti-competitive to me

Moderation seems to be an activity that can scale linearly with users (content). So if you have 1/1000 the user base then you have roughly 1/1000 the moderation effort.

Of all the barriers to entry in the social media market, moderation seems like the smallest one because it doesn't scale as well as other activities such as operation costs, development staff , and so on.

Of course, if you start a social media company with the intent to be a haven for content that "takes a lot of moderation effort" then obviously you are setting yourself up for a situation where it's difficult to compete. If you need 10x the number of moderation actions as facebook or twitter, then you have 10x the cost too.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by casefields »

alexrustic wrote: post #2

See also BuzzFeed News article about this: “If They Won’t Hear Us, They Will Fear Us”: How The Capitol Assault Was Planned On Facebook https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/davidmack/how-us-capito...

The government should fear its people and not the other way around. The gun of the public's ire should also be focused on class instead of in-class fighting over race.

Who would rather be poor and white over rich and black? Exactly. Privilege comes from class, not skin.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by boomboomsubban »

three_seagrass wrote: post #740
boomboomsubban wrote: post #713

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Though I doubt that Parler has many employees, it seems unlikely the emails from your hosting company would be read by the CEO. It's entirely possible both people are telling the truth.

Your CTO of your social media startup would definitely surface threats of deplatforming from your cloud provider to the CEO.

In a well run organization with great employees that is what you would expect to happen.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by LarvaFX »

rtx wrote: post #763
three_seagrass wrote: post #744

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Being impeached twice is the landmark here. We're living some pretty important history as it's being written right now.

Yup, down fall of an empire. Don't fight it, world would be a better place afterward.

Would it? After the fall of rome we got the middle ages

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by LarvaFX »

three_seagrass wrote: post #747
IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #739

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93% of meteors hitting earth are harmless. This is not about the probability but the outcome at the tail 7% or 3% or 1% is still huge. The right number to use is 0%. Not 1% or 7% Zero. Those protests literally shut down critical stores for people in dire straits. For ex. The only pharmacy near low income seniors with limited motor ability, with the double whammy that public transport also shut down. Cities on fire ev…

95% of meteors don't even hit the ground, and most of those that do are just pebble sized. Are you really trying to compare Black Lives Matter to a mass extinction event? Edit: Okay, you've massively edited your comment. A single gender reveal party caused more property damage than all the BLM protests combined. I do not get this continued obsession with BLM protests, especially in conversations regarding the insurre…

Well, it is racism. Watching America from the outside, it is quite obvious. Blacks from my country visiting America experience a culture shock how they are treated there compared to here; for context.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by cecja »

e40 wrote: post #268
JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #13

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I'm sure public support for removing Facebook from app stores wouldn't be too different than Parler. If we are principled people, and FB is failing to moderate, then any reasonable person who supported Parler's removal would support Facebook's. What would be different between the two decisions is the sheer magnitude of money on the line, in the case of Facebook's removal -- in capital markets, in employment, etc.

A coworker has a lot of conservative friends. All of them were banned from FB until the 23rd. Even her daughter, who has never written any posts supporting DJT, but liked a few posts, was banned for the same time frame. I've read absolutely nothing about this in the news. She even shared a screenshot one of her friends shared with her. It said: "Your account is restricted right now. You're temporarily restricted from…

Aww... die she like a kill pelosi meme and got suspended? Good for us.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by LarvaFX »

bigiain wrote: post #478
0xEFF wrote: post #436

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The people huddled in offices with an angry mob banging on the door were terrorized.

And so were a nation that believes in democracy and democratic elections.

True. Here in Germany, we were very frightened by the attempts of the president to attack the election. It looked like a banana republic to be honest.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by cecja »

CivBase wrote: post #662
mplewis wrote: post #122

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Parler refuses to moderate content. Facebook does not.

> Parler refuses to moderate content. Is this documented anywhere? From what I've seen that's simply not true. "the lack of moderation on Parler is not the issue. they actually have very robust moderation tools and all new users start out shadowbanned until enough of their post get approved for rightthink by their user moderators"[0] [0] https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347939939120533506 It sounds to me like th…

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-responds-to-parler-la...

Could be that when you advertise for nazis to join your platform that you have to implement a robust and fast moderation model or you could pretend to have one and let the hate spiral.

The comment about the shadowbans is even funnier. They literally austed progressive politicians and users to keep the platform aligned to rightwing information but I don't hear anyone talking about that.

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