Does anyone have any book recommendations for non-chinese people to understand CCP power structures? I'm completely lost in all of this Jack Ma stuff.
The Party: The Secret World of China's Communist Rulers (2012)
Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet
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He could very well be from the 50 Cent Party. HN has no doubt been infiltrated by them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party
Yes, a HN member with a profile created in December of 2008, 5800+ Karma, with links to his Twitter and name of his employer in his profile page is a 五毛(50 center). The CCP is truly all powerful! If my dripping sarcasm wasn’t clear, you’re way off base here. Edit 1: to the downvoters, please feel free to explain why it’s appropriate to accuse a 12-year HN member of being a paid shill for the CCP when all evidence poi…
The one you're replying to sounds like sarcasm to me. Or a very ironic comment given the comment it's replying to. It's hard to tell.
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#83Does anyone have any book recommendations for non-chinese people to understand CCP power structures? I'm completely lost in all of this Jack Ma stuff.
Deceiving the Sky: Inside Communist China's Drive for Global Supremacy (2019) by Bill Gertz is an excellent starting point: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/50927537-deceiving-the-s...
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How much more mental gymnastics do we need? I think it's time to accept that he WASN'T jailed rather than trying to forcefully shoehorn the facts into a 'but China still bad' narrative. The HN commentary went from 'Jack Ma is a national security threat' to 'Jack Ma is a poor victim of the CCP will will never be seen again' to 'this is fake, he is still jailed'. If he shows up someone else in person next time, will pe…
You may love China but CCP is not China.
This is an important distinction.
China is awesome. The CCP sucks.
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How much more mental gymnastics do we need? I think it's time to accept that he WASN'T jailed rather than trying to forcefully shoehorn the facts into a 'but China still bad' narrative. The HN commentary went from 'Jack Ma is a national security threat' to 'Jack Ma is a poor victim of the CCP will will never be seen again' to 'this is fake, he is still jailed'. If he shows up someone else in person next time, will pe…
It's extremely unlikely that the founder and CEO of a $600B publicly traded company would completely disappear for several months on his own initiative. A short interview or a couple of emails would have dispelled all speculation that he was detained without agitating the Chinese government.
He is not the CEO. I don't think he holds any official title since late 2019.
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#86If I was holding Jack Ma in captivity, I would definitely ask him to do this just for the benefits of doing insider trading on his appearances
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#87> In the 50-second video, Ma, dressed in a navy pullover, spoke directly to the camera from a room with grey marble walls and a striped carpet. It was not clear from the video or the Tianmu News article where he was speaking from. Uh, resurfacing from a fancy prison cell, perhaps? Can anyone find the video? EDIT: Here's the raw video: https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/13517514568277196... . If you watch his…
How much more mental gymnastics do we need? I think it's time to accept that he WASN'T jailed rather than trying to forcefully shoehorn the facts into a 'but China still bad' narrative. The HN commentary went from 'Jack Ma is a national security threat' to 'Jack Ma is a poor victim of the CCP will will never be seen again' to 'this is fake, he is still jailed'. If he shows up someone else in person next time, will pe…
So... where's multi-billionaire Xiao Jianhua? After being abducted from the Four Seasons in Hong Kong by the CCP, he popped up to explain he was seeking medical treatment on the mainland (haha) three years ago, and nobody's heard from him since. Also laying low? Or do you think he's discovered a new love of mining rare earth minerals in Xinjiang?
C'mon now, this isn't exactly some big exoneration one way or the other, is it? This happens from time to time. We both know there's a list of famous and semi-famous people as long as your arm you haven't heard from in a while.
Where's Fan Bingbing? Where's the former head of Interpol, Meng Hongwei? [2] Think they too have discovered a sudden need for mainland medical treatment -- or do you think it's more likely they may have discovered a passion for mining minerals also?
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/31/world/asia/xiao-jianhua-c...
[2] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-06/the-people-who-china-...
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#88In the last Hacker News thread, people were so sure that the government jailed him for criticizing the party. Even though there was no evidence of such, people just assumed it MUST be true because the CCP MUST be evil. And before Jack Ma "disappeared", people were worried about Jack Ma and Ant Group being a national security threat, because of his ties with CCP. Because "CCP evil". No matter the facts, people just co…
There is a very obvious anti-China sentiment on Reddit, where you barely see any post with good news about China, where any news coming out of China is seen as CCP propaganda, and pro-China comments are downvoted and accused of being shills for the CCP. I'm disappointed to see the same trend on HN, even if it's not as bad.
In your thinking, how is Jack Ma's reappearance "good news"? Doesn't that imply that he was potentially in danger, or taken "out of commission," and it's reassuring that he's not dead or in jail?
This sort of conversation would never take place if a high-profile US executive like Bezos, Musk, or Gates disappeared for months after criticizing the government, and reappeared without making any mention of it. People would be freaking out and we would already have 500+ investigative journalists on the case, articles all over the place, widespread speculation... In China, it seems all of those are disallowed.
If anything, this seems to be pro-China hypocrisy, not the other way around.
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He could very well be from the 50 Cent Party. HN has no doubt been infiltrated by them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party
Hacker News discovers more than a billion Chinese people actually supports the Communist Party
More than a billion is quite a stretch, but you could probably find a few hundred million without too much trouble.
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With all due respect it seems all of your tweets center around defending the Chinese government. Why??? I mean, saying that: > Many people see the Chinese govt's deficiencies as a result of "evil". I don't really subscribe to that. I think it has more to do with "incompetence". Building a large organization, with the right culture, is hard . is kind of ridiculous. Would you say the same thing about the Soviets (with…
Of course it's ridiculous if you only know China through the media. But have you considered that maybe the media representation is inaccurate? I've actually lived there, my wife comes from there, and my family is still there. This is combined with new information about China coming from the west, and having no restrictions here. I've studied some of China's recent history, a subject which is rarely taught in the west…
I found the greatest offenders of media that portrays China in a poor light are CCTV, xinhua, people’s daily, etc... if you consume those media, you get the impression that China is a backwards authoritarian state with lots of flaws, but of course the truth is more nuanced.
I first visited China in 1999, did a 6 month Chinese course at PKU in 2002, and lived/worked in Beijing from 2007-2016. Frankly, the political situation simply got worse from 2008 on, whereas before it really looked like China was opening up and would continue to do so.