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Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by nonce42 »

trident5000 wrote: post #148
dylan-m wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- The BLM movement is, while poorly framed and easily co-opted by other people, about genuine problems with policing in the United States. Problems that are backed up with verifiable facts rather than scummy used car salesmen and the Inventor of Email™. - The BLM movement, while the source of many large large scale protests (several of which turned into riots and outstayed their welcome) never, at any point, even pre…

What are the verifiable facts again? Do you have alternative statistics because they're actually on the FBI website and contradict everything you're saying. The riots were most likely political AstroTurf before an election via amplification of convenient (and unfortunate/terrible) imagery to turn out voters. I hate to be stone cold but that's my understanding of what unfolded. We witnessed something similar in 2015.

> The riots were most likely political AstroTurf before an election

I noticed that that the BLM protests happened a few months before the 2016 election and then vanished. Then the same thing happened before the 2020 election.

To make this quantitative, here's a Google Trends link: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&ge...

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by rootusrootus »

whoknew1122 wrote: post #303
_etyf wrote: post #289

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Far-right terrorism in the US has never really been taken seriously. No one took them seriously. That's not really true. Far-right terror was taken very seriously in 1995 after the Oklahoma City bombing. The FBI hired 500 agents specifically to focus on domestic terrorism [0], particularly the then-new militia movement. Virtually every state and federal law enforcement agency established a domestic terror unit. Throu…

I apologize for being imprecise. Far-right terrorism hasn't been taken seriously until a far-right terrorist actually commits violence. Then government is vigilant for a couple of years and goes back to ignoring them. Far-right terror was taken seriously after the OKC bombing. But the far-right terrorist threat had been steadily increasing for three years at that point. Ruby Ridge and the Waco Siege contributed to a…

It seems to me that the unpleasant, but unavoidable conclusion is that a significant fraction of the citizenry is sympathetic to the far right domestic terrorists.

Edit: If you think this is untrue, you have an extremely narrow filter bubble.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by throwaway_6142 »

simonh wrote: post #364
throwaway_6142 wrote: post #331

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Can somebody explain, since this was a long planned coup attempt against a Capitol that has its own police force, in a capital that has one of the largest and most heavily armed police forces in the world, why did the guncrazy far right militants leave their guns at home? And instead behaved mostly like an out of control protest with a few dozen violent rioters? It is a very peculiar way to attempt to overthrow a gov…

A lot of the protesters have said they expected the police to be largely on their side. I suspect that when things got violent both the armed rioters and police realised that guns would just end up in a blood bath on both sides, and the first person to shoot on either side would probably end up dead pretty quickly.

If I suspend my disbelief for a second, do you have a link to any interviews or similar with those protesters?

Surely you are not conflating quotes from peaceful demonstrators against (alleged) election fraud, with militants trying to violently overthrow the government?

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Post by Jimmc414 »

s__s wrote: post #240
alwaysdoit wrote: post #138

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Yeah, it's weird that the discussion has centered around censorship, rather than like... why didn't law enforcement shut this down sooner? Or at least properly prepare for it?

When it happened, there was a reporter on CBC talking about how it was common knowledge in DC for a long time that there was a protest planned there. So indeed. The real question is why was there seemingly no preparation to handle it.

My guess is that it was a calculated decision to allow to allow a poorly organized insurrection attempt to fail as opposed to shutting things down and strengthening their cause. Life was certainly lost. So if that's what happened they should have shut it down as it was happening instead of ignoring capitol police calls for support.

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Post by [deleted] »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #267
s__s wrote: post #240

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When it happened, there was a reporter on CBC talking about how it was common knowledge in DC for a long time that there was a protest planned there. So indeed. The real question is why was there seemingly no preparation to handle it.

Compared to other DC protests, the absence of preparation was the preparation. Clearly some of the Establishment wanted it to succeed.

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Post by gamblor956 »

9wzYQbTYsAIc wrote: post #358
gamblor956 wrote: post #337

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And Facebook removes such posts when they are made aware of them, while Parler expressly does not , so what is your point?

That it isn’t a matter of proportion that caused Apple to pull Parler from their App Store.

No, Apple pulled it from the Apple store because Parler expressly refused to moderate the violent content even once it was made aware of it while still taking the time to moderate and ban left-leaning posts, indicating that it had the resources to moderate, it simply chose not to.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by imgabe »

_r0fz wrote: post #121
Red_Tarsius wrote: post #112

>The Capitol Attack Where was this rhetoric when Antifa and BLM burned and looted for months with the blessings of all corporations and the mainstream media? Surely the Capitol Hill has an insurance policy? Or does that moronic point only apply to the common folk? Susan Rosenberg literally bombed the Capitol in 1983 and now serves as vice chair of the board of directors of Thousand Currents, a " non-profit foundation…

idk how to tell you this in a way you'll listen to but doing things for good reasons is good and doing them for bad reasons is bad.

Yeah, I'm sure the guy burning down someone's small business and looting television sets was doing it with the intention that it would stop police brutality.

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Post by kibwen »

r00fus wrote: post #339
mixmastamyk wrote: post #334

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When the commander in chief is the orchestrator, blaming law enforcement is not clear cut either.

"Following orders" isn't a get-out-of-jail-free card. If LE didn't speak out, they are co-conspirators.

Well, "following orders" can absolutely be a get-out-of-jail-free card when the orders come from the person in charge of handing out get-out-of-jail-free cards.

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Post by Jimmc414 »

tomp wrote: post #325
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #267

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Compared to other DC protests, the absence of preparation was the preparation. Clearly some of the Establishment wanted it to succeed.

> Clearly some of the Establishment wanted it to succeed. Or massively & publicly fail... if we’re trading conspiracy theories.

You have a point. I'm trying to find the differences between this attempted insurrection and a police sting and there are less than I first guessed.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

jjoonathan wrote: post #179
Red_Tarsius wrote: post #112

>The Capitol Attack Where was this rhetoric when Antifa and BLM burned and looted for months with the blessings of all corporations and the mainstream media? Surely the Capitol Hill has an insurance policy? Or does that moronic point only apply to the common folk? Susan Rosenberg literally bombed the Capitol in 1983 and now serves as vice chair of the board of directors of Thousand Currents, a " non-profit foundation…

On one hand we have hooligans using a crowd as cover to get away with property damage. On the other we have hooligans organized for the express purpose of overturning the results of a democratic election. In the case of BLM, the crimes don't reflect on the movement's overall purpose. Nobody expects property damage to be a vehicle for police reform -- it's an argument for more police presence, if anything. In the case…

>Nobody expects property damage to be a vehicle for police reform

Yet hundreds of cities are in the process of reevaluating how they allocate police and social service resources.

In light of that it'll be interesting to see what comes out of the capital mess.

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