I thought this was “no politics” week on HN?
Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook
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#322Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure Facebook is acting like an editor here. Those approve every post. Facebook can't practically do they. I'm critical of this case because it's a large group and thus Facebook should have been aware, but it seems like it's a tall order to ask Facebook to migrate everything. Isn't this what section 230 is about? Before you either migrate all our not at all. 230 let's you at least try to moderate (because let…
Facebook does act like an editor by way of their algorithms. Facebook's (and other social media's) timelines are no longer limited to the people you explicitly follow. Whether they have the ability to moderate or not is irrelevant. If you can't afford the obligations of a publisher, don't be a publisher.
You're looking at it wrong.
This is free expression, they are providing a platform as free as you going in the street and expressing yourself.
If the government wants to censor this type of expression, it must pass laws, and it must dictates what you can say or can't say. With such a move, social medias would become forbidden, or inefficient (as every post would need to be approved before being released).
If this is the world you want to live in, it's fine, but you need to understand the consequences and the ways to get there.
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#323It was planned for months, openly on Facebook in plain view of everybody. Remember that when politicians call for more intrusive surveillance in response.
What was planned?
The peaceful demonstration with the friendly supporters that saw positivity in Trump?
People that listened to Trump literally to gather Peaceful and protest against the steal of the election?
Or the small group of Q supporters that were believing that some people in the government were working against corruption?
Or the small group that was violent at one side, and was mixed with some rioters with a different political background?
And what was the result? Did these people listen to the guards and police? How many fires were burned? How many windows and structures were destroyed? How much property was stolen by the mob? How many people were severely wounded and how many died directly from it? How much of it was intended? How does this compare to the other peaceful demonstrations that happened this year?
For good information check different sources, because even a different side of the building show a different story. Tim Pool's reporting is reasonable neutral in that sense. There were also many reporters on the field and maybe you can find their reporting. Like the CNN journalist who encouraged people to break into the building.
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#324Earlier quoted context omitted.
idk how to tell you this in a way you'll listen to but doing things for good reasons is good and doing them for bad reasons is bad.
Hacker news seems to really struggle with this, partly because there are still Trump supporters here somehow.
> somehow
Computing has long been an interplay of curious, light-hearted hacker types and business/military types. e.g. Woz/Yannes/Stoll/Stallman and Jobs/DARPA/Musk/Thiel.
I don't think the values of skill, sacrifice, daring, and greed (sorry if that offends anyone) that roughly underlie HN are effective filters to remove Trump values. In fact, they move the needle toward the business/military side. HN appreciates the fun hacks, but, by design, amplifies the business side.
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#325Earlier quoted context omitted.
When it happened, there was a reporter on CBC talking about how it was common knowledge in DC for a long time that there was a protest planned there. So indeed. The real question is why was there seemingly no preparation to handle it.
Compared to other DC protests, the absence of preparation was the preparation. Clearly some of the Establishment wanted it to succeed.
> Clearly some of the Establishment wanted it to succeed.
Or massively & publicly fail... if we’re trading conspiracy theories.
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#326Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you provide a source please?
I hadn't heard about it either, but this Guardian article backs it up: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/30/protest-wash...
From the article:
"The Secret Service said in a statement on Saturday that six protesters were arrested in Washington and “multiple” officers were injured. There were no details on the charges or nature of the injuries. A spokesman for US park police said their officers made no arrests, but several suffered minor injuries and one was taken to a hospital after being struck in the helmet by a projectile."
A few injuries, with perhaps only one serious enough to lead to a hospitalization. A far cry from a police officer beaten to death by a mob of right wingers invading the Capitol.
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#327Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, it's weird that the discussion has centered around censorship, rather than like... why didn't law enforcement shut this down sooner? Or at least properly prepare for it?
When it happened, there was a reporter on CBC talking about how it was common knowledge in DC for a long time that there was a protest planned there. So indeed. The real question is why was there seemingly no preparation to handle it.
Anecdotally, I tuned into some of the protester's livestreams early on because I assumed that they would be trying to get into the building to stop the confirmation of Biden's win. It almost felt so incredibly obvious to me that it was going to happen.
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#328I thought this was “no politics” week on HN?
Er, no, though a link to that failed experiment from 2016 was posted within the past week, so that may have been the source of your confusion.
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#329It's chilling how quickly the tech industry has coalesced around oppressive and biased social media censorship policies. A scant few years ago, the tech industry was a beacon of free expression.
You know what’s also chilling? Major tech platforms choosing to publish, amplify, and normalize: white supremacy, antisemitism, serious calls to violently overthrow democracy, conspiracies about the deep state cabal of satan-worshiping pedophiles, the health benefits of drinking bleach, denial of well understood scientific facts, etc. These things are fine for the town square, since people have free speech, but nobod…
Who gets the megaphone? My answer is either everybody or nobody. :)
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#330What is the purpose of the NSA and FBI if they can’t prevent something this obvious? Wasn’t the supposed bargain that nearly unlimited surveillance of Americans would prevent terrorism? What should be done with agencies incapable of fulfilling their most basic functions?
You'd think in-the-open discussions would have facilitated their work... but if they can't even spy on public conversations...