Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook • Hacker News Board

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by andrewvc » Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 7:08 PM UTC

beaner wrote: post #101

ardy42 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If people had called one another to prepare this, would we say that the phone was responsible for the attack? And would we try to ban phones? That's a moot point, because an attack like this can't realistically be organized via one-to-one communication. It needs a broadcast medium, which the phone network isn't.

Is CNN, a broadcast television network, considered a broadcast medium for attacks and terrorism for promoting and defending violent riots, and for giving reach to similar statements of support and justification from congress members such as AOC and Nancy Pelosi?

The idea that this summers riots were at all comparable to an attack on our nation's legislative body as it certified results of an election is repugnant and absurd.

Its easier to point fingers at the other side than take any blame for your own.

The insurrection at the nations capitol is a singular event, one that Republicans need to reckon with on its own terms. Some have done this, and I applaud them. They are proving to be the grown ups in the room.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by 8fGTBjZxBcHq » Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 7:08 PM UTC

purec wrote: post #124

_r0fz wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

idk how to tell you this in a way you'll listen to but doing things for good reasons is good and doing them for bad reasons is bad.

You can't use "good intentions" to justify horrific actions.

ya man what they did to that target was an atrocity lol someone call the hague

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by spoonjim » Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 7:08 PM UTC

ttt0 wrote: post #109

spoonjim wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s also, what functions does Facebook serve beyond organizing violence? Clearly it’s a lot. You can reasonably discuss banning handguns because they are only used to commit violence. You can’t reasonably discussing the ban of all knives, telling people who ask “how am I supposed to cook?” that they just need to bite their food into little pieces.

Are you implying that Parler was created specifically to organize violence? If that's what you're saying then please provide a clear evidence that proves this is the case. Saying something like that just seems really dishonest in most, if not all, contexts.

I can tell you that the content on Parler was, on a percentage basis, far closer to incitement of violence than, say, Reddit. I saw this for myself. I cannot tell you the motivations of the founders since I’m not a mind reader.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by Pfhreak » Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 7:09 PM UTC

Red_Tarsius wrote: post #112

>The Capitol Attack Where was this rhetoric when Antifa and BLM burned and looted for months with the blessings of all corporations and the mainstream media? Surely the Capitol Hill has an insurance policy? Or does that moronic point only apply to the common folk? Susan Rosenberg literally bombed the Capitol in 1983 and now serves as vice chair of the board of directors of Thousand Currents, a " non-profit foundation…

> Antifa and BLM burned and looted for months

This sentence fragment appears deliberately vague and it assumes the conclusion. Compare, for example, "The Capitol Attack" vs "Right Wing Violence in America". One references a specific event with specific actors, the other is a vague non-specific description of a phenomena that may or may not exist.

I'd encourage you to be more specific -- which instances of fires and looting do you feel were not adequately described as attacks? Who is failing to describe them, again, specifically.

Right now, this does not read like you are interested in discussing this in good faith.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by betterunix2 » Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 7:09 PM UTC

cccc4all wrote: post #55

The unequal treatment is the primary issue with the Parler deplatforming. Facebook and Twitter and Google has hosted much more and much worse content, from all sides. Yet, they are protected by the central authorities and mainstream popular media. Facebook, Twitter and Google should all be deplatformed for equal treatment under mob rules.

Facebook, Twitter, and Google have not tried to take a stand against moderation; the worst you can say is that they still need to improve their moderation policies and techniques. Parler was created as a protest against the moderation that happens on other platforms, to be a place where the people who are too extreme for Facebook etc. can communicate, recruit, and so forth. Likewise with Gab, which was created in response to Twitter's own efforts at moderation.

Nothing unequeal about the treatment, because Parler's efforts at moderation were never equal (in either commitment or scope) to the other platforms you mentioned.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by pokstad » Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 7:09 PM UTC

lqet wrote: post #79

efwfwef wrote: post #21

If people had called one another to prepare this, would we say that the phone was responsible for the attack? And would we try to ban phones?

Phones don't broadcast. A small group of agitators could have used a pirate radio station to call for an attack on the capitol 50 years ago and reach millions of people, which is exactly why pirate radio stations are illegal.

Phones don't broadcast, but the two human callers can.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by dylan-m » Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 7:09 PM UTC

Red_Tarsius wrote: post #112

>The Capitol Attack Where was this rhetoric when Antifa and BLM burned and looted for months with the blessings of all corporations and the mainstream media? Surely the Capitol Hill has an insurance policy? Or does that moronic point only apply to the common folk? Susan Rosenberg literally bombed the Capitol in 1983 and now serves as vice chair of the board of directors of Thousand Currents, a " non-profit foundation…

- The BLM movement is, while poorly framed and easily co-opted by other people, about genuine problems with policing in the United States. Problems that are backed up with verifiable facts rather than scummy used car salesmen and the Inventor of Email™.

- The BLM movement, while the source of many large large scale protests (several of which turned into riots and outstayed their welcome) never, at any point, even pretended to stage a coup or murder a member of the Capitol Police.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by alwaysdoit » Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 7:09 PM UTC

stretchcat wrote: post #78

It was planned for months, openly on Facebook in plain view of everybody. Remember that when politicians call for more intrusive surveillance in response.

Yeah, it's weird that the discussion has centered around censorship, rather than like... why didn't law enforcement shut this down sooner? Or at least properly prepare for it?

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by tareqak » Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 7:09 PM UTC

Red_Tarsius wrote: post #112

>The Capitol Attack Where was this rhetoric when Antifa and BLM burned and looted for months with the blessings of all corporations and the mainstream media? Surely the Capitol Hill has an insurance policy? Or does that moronic point only apply to the common folk? Susan Rosenberg literally bombed the Capitol in 1983 and now serves as vice chair of the board of directors of Thousand Currents, a " non-profit foundation…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg

> Rosenberg was sentenced to 58 years' imprisonment on the weapons and explosives charges. She spent 16 years in prison, during which she became a poet, author, and AIDS activist. Her sentence was commuted to time served by President Bill Clinton on January 20, 2001,[5] his final day in office.[6][7]

She was charged, served some of her time (16 years of 58 years is 27.586%), and then a president pardoned her.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by mensetmanusman » Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 7:09 PM UTC

When will Apple remove FB then?

FB has said it is too big to moderate effectively, ergo in principle it is unmoderated just like Parler.

FB has a point, for example, in Myanmar the platform is being used to organize genocide. There is no way FB could hire enough local moderators to deal with this without turning off the service.