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Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by macspoofing »

ceilingcorner wrote: post #80

The recent actions of Silicon Valley companies will turn out to be the single biggest threat to global free communication on the Internet. Every two bit dictator will now wave them around to justify locking down the Internet and restrict the sharing of information. Such a shortsighted move, and yet even on HN we have people thinking it was justified. Frankly, I am very disappointed. We need a revival of late 90s “inf…

>Every two bit dictator will now wave them around to justify locking down the Internet and restrict the sharing of information.

Not just dictators. You think EU is going to let American social companies dictate which of their citizens and representatives (!!!) can and cannot have access to what become a standard mass communication channel (i.e. what social media became)? Hell no. They may hate Trump, but they weren't fans of Trump's Twitter/Facebook ban and they sure as hell won't let Jack effin Dorsey be their arbiter of free speech.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by trident5000 »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #103
trident5000 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We just witnessed that you actually cant do any of those things (build your own platform that has real reach), there is no free market. And now with where we are, what difference does it actually make when you think about it? In both scenarios its a handful of people dictating the speech of billions, on the private side they’re not even elected. The ideal scenario is that there is a free market of social media who ca…

>We just witnessed that you actually cant do any of those things (build your own platform that has real reach), there is no free market. I am witnessing the reality that it’s never been easier and cheaper in the history of the world to reach almost everyone in the world within seconds. It’s extremely easy to build a website, host it, have people type in a few letters and numbers, and “reach” each other. It’s never be…

Im sorry to say this is a very naive view.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by antibuddy »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #103
trident5000 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We just witnessed that you actually cant do any of those things (build your own platform that has real reach), there is no free market. And now with where we are, what difference does it actually make when you think about it? In both scenarios its a handful of people dictating the speech of billions, on the private side they’re not even elected. The ideal scenario is that there is a free market of social media who ca…

>We just witnessed that you actually cant do any of those things (build your own platform that has real reach), there is no free market. I am witnessing the reality that it’s never been easier and cheaper in the history of the world to reach almost everyone in the world within seconds. It’s extremely easy to build a website, host it, have people type in a few letters and numbers, and “reach” each other. It’s never be…

> I am witnessing the reality that it’s never been easier and cheaper in the history of the world to reach almost everyone in the world within seconds.

Only as long you don't have the wrong opinion.

> It’s extremely easy to build a website, host it, have people type in a few letters and numbers, and “reach” each other. It’s never been easier, or cheaper. It’s as free market as it gets.

And where do you find it? Google? Also the witch-hunt doesn't stop there. Next up is the hosting (looking at Parler). I can't wait to see when registrars are next and you have to type in a dynamic IP given by the ISP. But everyone could reach you, they just have to know the IP. If that really would be viable ISP would be the next logical step in the witch-hunt.

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Post by dragonwriter »

ceilingcorner wrote: post #106
TameAntelope wrote: post #102

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"The issue is that an extremely small amount of American corporations are allowed to decide what is deemed acceptable to discuss online." This is simply not true. This is not what's happening, and again I am trying to understand a reason why you think this is the case. "If deemed unacceptable, you are relegated to the outskirts and often denied access to say, credit." I'm sorry again, but this is also not only untrue…

Yes, you are not wrong that the Internet is a network of computers and that it is essentially impossible to “kick someone off” if they are technical enough. That isn’t the point. The point is that free speech is both law and culture. Clinging to the notions of what is “legal free speech” is ignoring the cultural consequences of restricting it. Society is not a computer program that runs on laws. When Amazon, Facebook…

> When Amazon, Facebook, Twitter, Google, and Apple all decide that you shall not be heard, you’re locked out from the 99.99% of the population

Yeah, I know, it's like Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) recently said on Fox News: Republicans literally have no way to get messages out now.

Except...

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by Blikkentrekker »

_v7gu wrote: post #96
Blikkentrekker wrote: post #88

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You don't think that most of any country know that, do you? How many Turks, or people at all, do you know with an i.q. of 100?

The moment a piece of knowledge becomes important, it can spread fast enough to reach almost everyone. "open this in settings, enter these numbers for youtube" doesn't require average iq to remember. And even if you can't recall, you can refer those in need to the person who told you.

They can indeed solicit the help of others, but the original claim was that they could do it on their own.

There are a great many essential operations that people pay a professional to do all the time, even though it be quite easy to do on one's own.

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Post by ceilingcorner »

TameAntelope wrote: post #110
ceilingcorner wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, you are not wrong that the Internet is a network of computers and that it is essentially impossible to “kick someone off” if they are technical enough. That isn’t the point. The point is that free speech is both law and culture. Clinging to the notions of what is “legal free speech” is ignoring the cultural consequences of restricting it. Society is not a computer program that runs on laws. When Amazon, Facebook…

It is objectively false to say you are locked out of 99.9% of the population if Twitter, Amazon, and Google remove you from their platforms, and I think the fact that you believe such to be the case so unwaveringly means this conversation has come to an end.

After everything I wrote, this is your only response? Why do I even bother, honestly.

If the top 5 companies that dominate the Internet and technology ban you, yes, that locks you off from the overwhelming majority of the population.

That wasn’t even my point, which you seemed to either not understand or not care about. Nonetheless, yes, the conversation is over.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by ceilingcorner »

nlitened wrote: post #107
TameAntelope wrote: post #85

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There is both good violence and bad violence. Blanket rules don't exist, despite our wish they did.

Bad violence is against me and people I like, good violence is against people who I don't like — am I right?

It’s funny how these arguments always go the same way. X Group is horrible because they did Y action, but if I do Y action it’s fine, because I’m with the good guys.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by eplanit »

mrtksn wrote: post #11

After all that happened, Now it makes sense for a country to have a grasp over the communication of its citizens. That’s said, the primary use is expected to be control of journalism on Youtube. After Erdogan took over almost all of the media, many of the fired journalists started Youtube channels and got more popular than the media Erdogan has a hold on. He now wants to impose the same controls that he has over TV c…

"After all that happened, Now it makes sense for a country to have a grasp over the communication of its citizens."

Wow. Fear ushers in tyranny, for sure.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by rajivjain »

golondon wrote: post #35
antibuddy wrote: post #22

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It should be noted that the US has the same double standards, but enforced by silicon valley corps themselves in union. Moral of the story: Power currupts.

It's not the same thing. As long as you don't cause violence or you're not violating the terms of service which you accepted while joining to the service, they wouldn't remove your content or block you. Of course, you can come up with one off examples of ML models screwing things up but it's not the intention while developing those models. Turkish government's intention here is getting content that criticise them rem…

Terms of service cannot supersede local laws. If Twitter wants to do business in a country, they need to comply. Twitter can choose to give up ad revenue and reach. Turkish government may have bad motive. However, democratic governments around the world can and should regulate social media in their countries per the local laws.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by golondon »

rajivjain wrote: post #119
golondon wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not the same thing. As long as you don't cause violence or you're not violating the terms of service which you accepted while joining to the service, they wouldn't remove your content or block you. Of course, you can come up with one off examples of ML models screwing things up but it's not the intention while developing those models. Turkish government's intention here is getting content that criticise them rem…

Terms of service cannot supersede local laws. If Twitter wants to do business in a country, they need to comply. Twitter can choose to give up ad revenue and reach. Turkish government may have bad motive. However, democratic governments around the world can and should regulate social media in their countries per the local laws.

So, all social media companies must have representative in all countries that allow local govs to remove any content? Or get all of their info such as IP address?

Where is the line here? If I live in US and Tweet in Turkish, if Turkish gov ask for removal of that content should it be removed? Or should companies be required to share information about this user?

If I write that in another language, that local gov don't like, does it give Turkish gov right to get that removed?

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