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Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by kuter »

_v7gu wrote: post #79
Blikkentrekker wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you overestimate the intelligence of the average man, or rather his problem solving ability. You would really be surprised for how many something as simple as “ I accidentally removed my bookmarks bar in my web browser, how do I get it back? ” is a test that separates the men from the boys. — dare I say that over half of mankind would fail this simple test.

I think you underestimate them, most Turks know what to do with the addresses 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 from the time they were an effective way to circumvent the old youtube block

I remember those days. I think they intercept dns packages these days or block ip addresses.

They also had something called url blocking which was intercepting http packages. Not used anymore because of wide adoption of ssl.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

#82

Post by gus_massa »

m00dy wrote: post #28
ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why?

Turkey has around 80milion people as its population and an elected government. I think these people have the right to summon an ambassador from not just twitter but all big tech giants.

Does the "ambassador of Twitter" has diplomatic immunity, or they can send the ambassador to hail if Twitter breaks a local law?

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by TameAntelope »

antibuddy wrote: post #22
mrtksn wrote: post #11

After all that happened, Now it makes sense for a country to have a grasp over the communication of its citizens. That’s said, the primary use is expected to be control of journalism on Youtube. After Erdogan took over almost all of the media, many of the fired journalists started Youtube channels and got more popular than the media Erdogan has a hold on. He now wants to impose the same controls that he has over TV c…

It should be noted that the US has the same double standards, but enforced by silicon valley corps themselves in union. Moral of the story: Power currupts.

Silicon Valley cannot ban someone from the Internet, this is blatantly false.

And no, a ban from Twitter does not prevent a person from expressing themselves on the Internet, even if it changes how one attracts an audience. The Internet does not exist independent of physical space -- if you want to get a message out, you absolutely can, even if all of Silicon Valley tries to stop you.

This is lazy thinking, and I'm honestly getting tired of reading it, so please forgive my frustration.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

#85

Post by TameAntelope »

nlitened wrote: post #57
golondon wrote: post #35

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It's not the same thing. As long as you don't cause violence or you're not violating the terms of service which you accepted while joining to the service, they wouldn't remove your content or block you. Of course, you can come up with one off examples of ML models screwing things up but it's not the intention while developing those models. Turkish government's intention here is getting content that criticise them rem…

> As long as you don't cause violence or you're not violating the terms of service which you accepted while joining to the service, they wouldn't remove your content or block you. If I remember correctly, a lot of violence and multiple revolutions happened with the help of Twitter and YouTube all over the world. As long as violence is not in the US, it does not count, I suppose. That was probably what GP meant by say…

There is both good violence and bad violence. Blanket rules don't exist, despite our wish they did.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by Retric »

vageli wrote: post #75
Retric wrote: post #67

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Yes, the original idea of free speech was much closer to building a printing press and distributing leaflets than access to other people’s platforms. The only place where that overlaps is broadcast TV due to bandwidth limitations. IMO, forcing platforms to host content they disagree with is a free speech issue in the other direction.

> IMO, forcing platforms to host content they disagree with is a free speech issue in the other direction. How do you figure? I don't know a person who believes that Twitter endorses all content that is found on Twitter. How is it a speech issue in the other direction when Twitter is not saying anything? Further, about broadcast media, the US still has the equal time rule [0] and used to have a fairness doctrine whic…

> How is it a free speech issue in the other direction when Twitter is not saying anything?

Banning someone or something is them saying something. Endorsement of the debate between different political views doesn’t mean allowing every idea to be acceptable. Letting say the anti vaccination people on your site directly means more disease risk to the general population. However, realizing that doesn’t require you to act. You might decide that’s acceptable where allowing say militant groups planning an insurrection aren’t.

In other words, voluntarily not saying something doesn’t give up your right to free speech.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

#87

Post by ceilingcorner »

TameAntelope wrote: post #84
antibuddy wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should be noted that the US has the same double standards, but enforced by silicon valley corps themselves in union. Moral of the story: Power currupts.

Silicon Valley cannot ban someone from the Internet, this is blatantly false. And no, a ban from Twitter does not prevent a person from expressing themselves on the Internet, even if it changes how one attracts an audience. The Internet does not exist independent of physical space -- if you want to get a message out, you absolutely can, even if all of Silicon Valley tries to stop you. This is lazy thinking, and I'm h…

When your host, domain registrar, payment processor, credit card company, and every social media channel decides to ban you, it is more or less equal to being banned from the Internet.

We have a term for this already: the chilling effect.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by Blikkentrekker »

_v7gu wrote: post #79
Blikkentrekker wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you overestimate the intelligence of the average man, or rather his problem solving ability. You would really be surprised for how many something as simple as “ I accidentally removed my bookmarks bar in my web browser, how do I get it back? ” is a test that separates the men from the boys. — dare I say that over half of mankind would fail this simple test.

I think you underestimate them, most Turks know what to do with the addresses 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 from the time they were an effective way to circumvent the old youtube block

You don't think that most of any country know that, do you?

How many Turks, or people at all, do you know with an i.q. of 100?

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

#89

Post by TameAntelope »

ceilingcorner wrote: post #87
TameAntelope wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Silicon Valley cannot ban someone from the Internet, this is blatantly false. And no, a ban from Twitter does not prevent a person from expressing themselves on the Internet, even if it changes how one attracts an audience. The Internet does not exist independent of physical space -- if you want to get a message out, you absolutely can, even if all of Silicon Valley tries to stop you. This is lazy thinking, and I'm h…

When your host, domain registrar, payment processor, credit card company, and every social media channel decides to ban you, it is more or less equal to being banned from the Internet. We have a term for this already: the chilling effect.

No it isn't, that is simply not true. There are more hosting providers, ISPs, payment processors, et al. than there are stars in the sky.

Stop lying, you know better.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by _v7gu »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #65
throwaway313371 wrote: post #54

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I was here for the coup where 200 people died and another 2,000 were injured. None of us like AKP or Tayipp, but you really need to shut your mouth hoping that a muslim extremist (Fetullah Gülen) should have taken over the country. Really, that's like hoping that the Evangelical white supremacists had succeeded in taking over the USA last week. wtf is wrong with you? Why do you want terrorists to take over the ONLY d…

quite a lot of Kurds will beg to differ on the definition of "terrorist" by the AKP/Erdogan?

You're confusing the socialist Kurds with islamists. No one disagrees that Gulenists are terrorists
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