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Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by kuter »

nradov wrote: post #64
kuter wrote: post #62

Facebook and Google decided to have representatives.I fear that Twitter might decide to have it's own representative. It would be a nightmare here if these companies start censoring everything that the government asks for. Erdoğan is starting loose support. AKP (his party) lost all 3 of the major cities in local elections. I think the best scenario for Turkey would be Facebook and Google deciding to pull out their re…

Using a VPN doesn't require a lot of education, especially if someone else sets it up for you. I think they'll figure it out. The bigger issue will be if Turkey follows China's example and implements a national firewall to block VPNs.

It would take a lot of time for VPN usage to propagate to some APK supporters (You haven't met one before believe me).

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by throwaway313371 »

pjc50 wrote: post #58
throwaway313371 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was here for the coup where 200 people died and another 2,000 were injured. None of us like AKP or Tayipp, but you really need to shut your mouth hoping that a muslim extremist (Fetullah Gülen) should have taken over the country. Really, that's like hoping that the Evangelical white supremacists had succeeded in taking over the USA last week. wtf is wrong with you? Why do you want terrorists to take over the ONLY d…

This has been a bit of a problem in the West of backing "rebels" indiscriminately without checking if their politics is actually worse than the politics of those they're rebelling against.

> quite a lot of Kurds will beg to differ?

Huh? Which Kurds? Istanbul Kurds? Black Sea Kurds? Eastern border Kurds? South-Eastern mountain Kurds? My neighborhood in Beşiktaş is 30% Kurd, and 70% of the neighborhood voted HDP (the Kurdish party), including my atheist, liberal family of scientists and engineers.

Kurds hate Tayipp too. That's why the HDP won 13% of the vote which finally gave them parliamentary representation in 2015, then again maintained the in the post-coup election.

I know Kurds in my neighborhood who RAN down to the bridge to fight the Gulenist tank drivers with their fists. They stood in the streets and screamed at the F-16s flying over the city all night long, and they throw rocks and shot at the black helicopter which hovered over Fulya looking for a place to land. When they realized the helicopter was going to try and land at the BJK youth football field in Dikilitaş, no less than 50 of them went to that field and started shooting at the helicopter, which eventually went down and landed in Besiktas stadium.

This isn't a Hollywood movie. The good guys cannot just snap their fingers, fire a few bullets, and win liberation.

Tell me exactly, why did Obama and Trump harbor Gülen? Did you know that the secretary of education, DeVos, has thrown fundraising events with Gülen, because he is a fellow billionaire who made his fortune running religious charter schools (Türk lisesli) throughout the world, scamming voucher programs, just like DeVos.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by Blikkentrekker »

antibuddy wrote: post #22
mrtksn wrote: post #11

After all that happened, Now it makes sense for a country to have a grasp over the communication of its citizens. That’s said, the primary use is expected to be control of journalism on Youtube. After Erdogan took over almost all of the media, many of the fired journalists started Youtube channels and got more popular than the media Erdogan has a hold on. He now wants to impose the same controls that he has over TV c…

It should be noted that the US has the same double standards, but enforced by silicon valley corps themselves in union. Moral of the story: Power currupts.

> Moral of the story: Power currupts.

I am not so certain of this any more. I believe that power shows those that are corrupt; the problem is that the set of corrupt men, and the set of those who wish for power, is virtually the same set.

There have very much been incorruptible men in history who were given great power, but in all cases that I know they did not seek it out, but rather were forced into it.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by throwaway313371 »

kuter wrote: post #71
nradov wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using a VPN doesn't require a lot of education, especially if someone else sets it up for you. I think they'll figure it out. The bigger issue will be if Turkey follows China's example and implements a national firewall to block VPNs.

It would take a lot of time for VPN usage to propagate to some APK supporters (You haven't met one before believe me).

Depends on the AKP supporters. Those who are barely literate, live in Asherates (villages which are run by often corrupt patriarchs and are told how to vote), and who go to school at imam-hatips? Probably not. The Turks who are educated in the conservative universities in Konya? You'd be surprised. AKP is basically the post-Bush GOP, but Muslim instead of Christian.

I'm not defending the AKP, but painting all of them as rednecks is a huge mistake.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by vageli »

Retric wrote: post #67
dastx wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a big difference between governments, the people that are in theory employed by the people, silence individuals, compared to some company not wanting individuals' speech on their platform. If a company banned me from saying x, I can in theory go to another platform and say the same thing. Failing that, I can build my own site. There are a handful of things I can do to say x. Failing a digital platform, I can…

Yes, the original idea of free speech was much closer to building a printing press and distributing leaflets than access to other people’s platforms. The only place where that overlaps is broadcast TV due to bandwidth limitations. IMO, forcing platforms to host content they disagree with is a free speech issue in the other direction.

> IMO, forcing platforms to host content they disagree with is a free speech issue in the other direction.

How do you figure? I don't know a person who believes that Twitter endorses all content that is found on Twitter. How is it a speech issue in the other direction when Twitter is not saying anything?

Further, about broadcast media, the US still has the equal time rule [0] and used to have a fairness doctrine which required broadcasters to present both sides of a debate [1]. It's worth mentioning that when the FCC (all Reagan appointees) removed the fairness doctrine, Congress acted to enshrine it in law and it was vetoed by Regan.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-time_rule [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCC_fairness_doctrine

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by throwaway313371 »

aerodog wrote: post #37

Jack Dorsey took the initiative to side with the people who tried to overthrow the Turkish government in 2016. I'm surprised Twitter still survives. The MSM almost entirely ignores this because they're fixated on this "strongman" narrative that makes American liberals feel good about themselves.

Proof? My understanding is that the Twitter block in 2016 had less to do with Twitter as a company and more to do with Tayipp not being able to control the flow of information.

Remember Wikipedia was blocked because Tayipp's page was painted honestly, which he found to be very unflattering, and because Wikimedia refused to remove references to the recorded/leaked conversations about money laundering with his (Berkeley-educated) nitwit song Bilal (There is a saying here when somebody does not understand what you are saying: "Explain it as if you are explaining it to Bilal".

This is also why soundcloud was blocked for 3 years, because people used it to post the recordings of him telling Bilal to remove all of the cash from the family houses in case they were searched.

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Post by _v7gu »

Blikkentrekker wrote: post #70
nradov wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using a VPN doesn't require a lot of education, especially if someone else sets it up for you. I think they'll figure it out. The bigger issue will be if Turkey follows China's example and implements a national firewall to block VPNs.

I think you overestimate the intelligence of the average man, or rather his problem solving ability. You would really be surprised for how many something as simple as “ I accidentally removed my bookmarks bar in my web browser, how do I get it back? ” is a test that separates the men from the boys. — dare I say that over half of mankind would fail this simple test.

I think you underestimate them, most Turks know what to do with the addresses 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 from the time they were an effective way to circumvent the old youtube block

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by ceilingcorner »

The recent actions of Silicon Valley companies will turn out to be the single biggest threat to global free communication on the Internet. Every two bit dictator will now wave them around to justify locking down the Internet and restrict the sharing of information.

Such a shortsighted move, and yet even on HN we have people thinking it was justified. Frankly, I am very disappointed. We need a revival of late 90s “information should be free” values, and fast.

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