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Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by 2Gkashmiri »

toyg wrote: post #27
m_a_g wrote: post #4

Although not outright blocking those websites is a step up, a 90% bandwidth cut is almost the same as blocking them.

What about setting up caching proxies inside the country? I expect the practice would eventually be made illegal and cracked on, but with a bit of technical trickery one might be able to keep the cat-and-mouse game running for some significant time. (I know, I know, I'm looking for technical solutions to a social problem...)

you know when india literally banned internet to 8 million humans, for months ALL connections were simply shut, isps turned off their setup. later when they did let whitelisted websites, i found out not all VPNs worked, it was a "cat and mouse" game but i managed to ssh into a vps i set up through some weird gimmick and ssh tunnelling was the only way to access internet and that too, via 2G internet. it was terrible to say the least and the one phrase constantly being used, big brother style was "misuse" which translated into "dont you dare criticize the govt".

i am saying stuff like this will continue to happen. even the assault against parler has shown such censorship can come in many forms and like it or not, it will happen everywhere https://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/business/4g-suspension-5...

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by kuter »

Facebook and Google decided to have representatives.I fear that Twitter might decide to have it's own representative. It would be a nightmare here if these companies start censoring everything that the government asks for. Erdoğan is starting loose support. AKP (his party) lost all 3 of the major cities in local elections.

I think the best scenario for Turkey would be Facebook and Google deciding to pull out their representatives from Turkey.

Legally the next step of Turkey would be to block %90 percent of the traffic. Which would be equal to blocking these sites.

There is a lot of AKP/Erdoğan supporters that use these services. This would weaken Erdoğan further.

Most educated people in Turkey do/can use a VPN anyways. Only Erdoğan supporters, which are known to have less/none education (big surprise) would be effected from this.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by andromeduck »

antibuddy wrote: post #22
mrtksn wrote: post #11

After all that happened, Now it makes sense for a country to have a grasp over the communication of its citizens. That’s said, the primary use is expected to be control of journalism on Youtube. After Erdogan took over almost all of the media, many of the fired journalists started Youtube channels and got more popular than the media Erdogan has a hold on. He now wants to impose the same controls that he has over TV c…

It should be noted that the US has the same double standards, but enforced by silicon valley corps themselves in union. Moral of the story: Power currupts.

Strong discretion + misaligned incentives + distance or insulation from consequences always breeds extreme corruption like SF/Cali/Congress.

For social media, I don't see how this can be solves without federation of 3rd party moderation/filtering of some sort. We should let the users decide who should filter their content.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by nradov »

kuter wrote: post #62

Facebook and Google decided to have representatives.I fear that Twitter might decide to have it's own representative. It would be a nightmare here if these companies start censoring everything that the government asks for. Erdoğan is starting loose support. AKP (his party) lost all 3 of the major cities in local elections. I think the best scenario for Turkey would be Facebook and Google deciding to pull out their re…

Using a VPN doesn't require a lot of education, especially if someone else sets it up for you. I think they'll figure it out. The bigger issue will be if Turkey follows China's example and implements a national firewall to block VPNs.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

throwaway313371 wrote: post #54
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Turkey AKP/Erdogan is the "country". The beef between twitter and Erdogan's AKP is quite old and goes back to at least the times of the coup, and then when the Turkish police got doxxed by CthulhuSec. edit: tone down my own opinion bc toyg is right in their critique

I was here for the coup where 200 people died and another 2,000 were injured. None of us like AKP or Tayipp, but you really need to shut your mouth hoping that a muslim extremist (Fetullah Gülen) should have taken over the country. Really, that's like hoping that the Evangelical white supremacists had succeeded in taking over the USA last week. wtf is wrong with you? Why do you want terrorists to take over the ONLY d…

quite a lot of Kurds will beg to differ on the definition of "terrorist" by the AKP/Erdogan?

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Post by throwaway313371 »

pjc50 wrote: post #58
throwaway313371 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was here for the coup where 200 people died and another 2,000 were injured. None of us like AKP or Tayipp, but you really need to shut your mouth hoping that a muslim extremist (Fetullah Gülen) should have taken over the country. Really, that's like hoping that the Evangelical white supremacists had succeeded in taking over the USA last week. wtf is wrong with you? Why do you want terrorists to take over the ONLY d…

This has been a bit of a problem in the West of backing "rebels" indiscriminately without checking if their politics is actually worse than the politics of those they're rebelling against.

Americans talk about freedom and democracy a lot. Then we fund coups in democratically run countries who just happen not to want to play ball with us, like Iran, Venezuela and Iraq. When it comes back to bite us, "mea culpa, mistakes were made".

Americans really need to stay in our lane and learn to look after our own people instead of demonizing others. We cannot even have peaceful elections, and until we fix gerrymandering we have zero moral high ground to talk about the fairness of foreign elections.

Come see an election in Turkiye. Turks dislike it, but thy accept the election results. During the last regional elections, I had friends and family members who were election monitors. Some of them stayed in those rooms, staring at the election boxes without leaving for two weeks to ensure the integrity of the election, and that is not an exaggeration.

Tayipp lost Istanbul and Ankara, and he did it fantastically. Istanbul's initial margin was 25,000 votes. When Tayipp had the election results annulled, Turks got pissed and he lost the second election by 800,000 votes.

Unlike Americans, Turks really care about their democracy.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by Retric »

dastx wrote: post #48
antibuddy wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should be noted that the US has the same double standards, but enforced by silicon valley corps themselves in union. Moral of the story: Power currupts.

There is a big difference between governments, the people that are in theory employed by the people, silence individuals, compared to some company not wanting individuals' speech on their platform. If a company banned me from saying x, I can in theory go to another platform and say the same thing. Failing that, I can build my own site. There are a handful of things I can do to say x. Failing a digital platform, I can…

Yes, the original idea of free speech was much closer to building a printing press and distributing leaflets than access to other people’s platforms. The only place where that overlaps is broadcast TV due to bandwidth limitations.

IMO, forcing platforms to host content they disagree with is a free speech issue in the other direction.

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Post by simonh »

m00dy wrote: post #28
ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why?

Turkey has around 80milion people as its population and an elected government. I think these people have the right to summon an ambassador from not just twitter but all big tech giants.

They weren't just embassies, and the 'ambassadors' weren't just representing the companies, these are state censorship bureaus.

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Post by trident5000 »

dastx wrote: post #48
antibuddy wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should be noted that the US has the same double standards, but enforced by silicon valley corps themselves in union. Moral of the story: Power currupts.

There is a big difference between governments, the people that are in theory employed by the people, silence individuals, compared to some company not wanting individuals' speech on their platform. If a company banned me from saying x, I can in theory go to another platform and say the same thing. Failing that, I can build my own site. There are a handful of things I can do to say x. Failing a digital platform, I can…

We just witnessed that you actually cant do any of those things (build your own platform that has real reach), there is no free market. And now with where we are, what difference does it actually make when you think about it? In both scenarios its a handful of people dictating the speech of billions, on the private side they’re not even elected.

The ideal scenario is that there is a free market of social media who can do whatever moderation they want. But we witnessed a serious blow to the idea thats even possible recently.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by Blikkentrekker »

nradov wrote: post #64
kuter wrote: post #62

Facebook and Google decided to have representatives.I fear that Twitter might decide to have it's own representative. It would be a nightmare here if these companies start censoring everything that the government asks for. Erdoğan is starting loose support. AKP (his party) lost all 3 of the major cities in local elections. I think the best scenario for Turkey would be Facebook and Google deciding to pull out their re…

Using a VPN doesn't require a lot of education, especially if someone else sets it up for you. I think they'll figure it out. The bigger issue will be if Turkey follows China's example and implements a national firewall to block VPNs.

I think you overestimate the intelligence of the average man, or rather his problem solving ability.

You would really be surprised for how many something as simple as “I accidentally removed my bookmarks bar in my web browser, how do I get it back?” is a test that separates the men from the boys. — dare I say that over half of mankind would fail this simple test.

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