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Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

_pmf_ wrote: post #18
mrtksn wrote: post #11

After all that happened, Now it makes sense for a country to have a grasp over the communication of its citizens. That’s said, the primary use is expected to be control of journalism on Youtube. After Erdogan took over almost all of the media, many of the fired journalists started Youtube channels and got more popular than the media Erdogan has a hold on. He now wants to impose the same controls that he has over TV c…

> for a country to have a grasp over the communication of its citizens It's never the country that has this power. It's particular government bodies.

In Turkey AKP/Erdogan is the "country". The beef between twitter and Erdogan's AKP is quite old and goes back to at least the times of the coup, and then when the Turkish police got doxxed by CthulhuSec.

edit: tone down my own opinion bc toyg is right in their critique

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by antibuddy »

mrtksn wrote: post #11

After all that happened, Now it makes sense for a country to have a grasp over the communication of its citizens. That’s said, the primary use is expected to be control of journalism on Youtube. After Erdogan took over almost all of the media, many of the fired journalists started Youtube channels and got more popular than the media Erdogan has a hold on. He now wants to impose the same controls that he has over TV c…

It should be noted that the US has the same double standards, but enforced by silicon valley corps themselves in union.

Moral of the story: Power currupts.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by p2detar »

roenxi wrote: post #10

There are a lot of right-wing governments in the world. I can't see the argument for them letting the SV tech companies enter their markets unmolested. If Trump can be banned, why not Erdogan? I imagine it is on the cards sooner or later. At some point that and the access it gives US intelligence agencies to the population has to become a national security issue. China's policy of locking US companies out of the Chin…

> China's policy of locking US companies out of the Chinese market looks prudent in hindsight.

Exactly. I mean, depending on their market penetration, social media platforms are not just a mirror but an active tool for analysis and influence of people's opinions. Age groups, clicks, hash tags, links, time of posting, etc. Why on Earth would governments leave such power in the hands of the free enterprise? Even in the West this just seems bizarre to me.

I think the days of internationally available social media platforms are numbered. Enterprises like Twitter, Facebook and Google will either concede to selected rules crafted by governments, authoritarian or not, or just get blocked from operating in their markets.

Those who have heavily invested in social media are soon to be in for an unpleasant surprise.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

#24

Post by StavrosK »

m_a_g wrote: post #4

Although not outright blocking those websites is a step up, a 90% bandwidth cut is almost the same as blocking them.

I'd say probably worse than blocking them. If Twitter gets blocked, people will find another way to get on Twitter. If it's not blocked, but is very slow, they will visit it less and less.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by toyg »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #21
_pmf_ wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> for a country to have a grasp over the communication of its citizens It's never the country that has this power. It's particular government bodies.

In Turkey AKP/Erdogan is the "country". The beef between twitter and Erdogan's AKP is quite old and goes back to at least the times of the coup, and then when the Turkish police got doxxed by CthulhuSec. edit: tone down my own opinion bc toyg is right in their critique

> times of the coup (which is a shame it failed),

Please take this as a honest suggestion, without any criticism meant: it's easier to persuade people if you limit the display of bias. By simply rewording that as "times of the attempted coup," you remain an objective observer and carry more authority from the reader's perspective.

This said, I know it's difficult and that things are tough when it comes to Turkey. Hopefully things will get better at some point, nobody lives forever.

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Post by fabiospampinato »

antibuddy wrote: post #22
mrtksn wrote: post #11

After all that happened, Now it makes sense for a country to have a grasp over the communication of its citizens. That’s said, the primary use is expected to be control of journalism on Youtube. After Erdogan took over almost all of the media, many of the fired journalists started Youtube channels and got more popular than the media Erdogan has a hold on. He now wants to impose the same controls that he has over TV c…

It should be noted that the US has the same double standards, but enforced by silicon valley corps themselves in union. Moral of the story: Power currupts.

I'd say more like: power matters, words on paper not so much.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

#27

Post by toyg »

m_a_g wrote: post #4

Although not outright blocking those websites is a step up, a 90% bandwidth cut is almost the same as blocking them.

What about setting up caching proxies inside the country? I expect the practice would eventually be made illegal and cracked on, but with a bit of technical trickery one might be able to keep the cat-and-mouse game running for some significant time.

(I know, I know, I'm looking for technical solutions to a social problem...)

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by m00dy »

ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #17
m00dy wrote: post #3

I agree with Turkey's position here.

Why?

Turkey has around 80milion people as its population and an elected government. I think these people have the right to summon an ambassador from not just twitter but all big tech giants.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by toyg »

m00dy wrote: post #28
ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why?

Turkey has around 80milion people as its population and an elected government. I think these people have the right to summon an ambassador from not just twitter but all big tech giants.

Isn't it a bit of an admission though? Global corps are effectively as powerful as most nation-states now, to the point you need "ambassadors". I expect the next step will be to agree on a Geneva-like convention on this sort of diplomatic mission, where the local representative is guaranteed immunity in exchange for accepting equal representation of a country in the corporation.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by op03 »

p2detar wrote: post #23
roenxi wrote: post #10

There are a lot of right-wing governments in the world. I can't see the argument for them letting the SV tech companies enter their markets unmolested. If Trump can be banned, why not Erdogan? I imagine it is on the cards sooner or later. At some point that and the access it gives US intelligence agencies to the population has to become a national security issue. China's policy of locking US companies out of the Chin…

> China's policy of locking US companies out of the Chinese market looks prudent in hindsight. Exactly. I mean, depending on their market penetration, social media platforms are not just a mirror but an active tool for analysis and influence of people's opinions. Age groups, clicks, hash tags, links, time of posting, etc. Why on Earth would governments leave such power in the hands of the free enterprise? Even in the…

Thats what was said about Wall St after many a blunder. They are still raking it in. Do you know why?
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