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Moderna is announcing three new vaccine programs

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Re: Moderna is announcing three new vaccine programs

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Post by unlikelymordant »

someperson wrote: post #58
m-ee wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some more detail in this article from July, they’re using mRNA to make the body produce virus like particles https://www.aidsmap.com/news/jul-2020/novel-vaccine-induces-...

Any effective HIV vaccine would presumably cause false-positives to the HIV antibody tests. Recently an Australian COVID-19 vaccine candidate trial was halted due to participants developing antibodies to proteins in the vaccine that were taken from HIV genome, causing false-positive on a HIV test. [1] Such false-positives could easily be co-opted by anti-vaxxers especially in light of the the famous Soviet Union disi…

Wouldnt you want a hiv vaccine to create hiv antibodies? What other mechanism is there for the body to fight off a virus?

Re: Moderna is announcing three new vaccine programs

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Post by nullsense »

artificialLimbs wrote: post #29
cogman10 wrote: post #3

Really good news! Hopefully these get approved relatively quickly. I'm most excited about the seasonal flu vaccine. That could be a major game changer.

Why? Does elderberry not work for you? Some anecdata: I had the flu NUMEROUS times as a child/young adult. I know what the flu feels like. A couple of years ago, I got the flu (no, I didn't go to the doctor because I knew it was 'just' the flu). I was feeling crummy one day, and the next I was curled up in bed, unable to move, fever with body aches, and slept most of that day. My wife told me about elderberry and gav…

And that's why noone dies from it anymore.

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Post by gizmo686 »

peteretep wrote: post #47
cycrutchfield wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very odd that dogs can get vaccinated for Lyme but not humans...

We can also have dogs "put to sleep" but not people. You can also keep a dog on a leash. If a dog dies, there's no need for a coroner's report. It's not _that_ odd that human and dog medicine are held to different levels of testing and safety.

> We can also have dogs "put to sleep" but not people.

Depending on where you live, you can have humans "put to sleep" as well.

It is legal in 9 US states, Canada, parts of Australlia, and probably otherplaces as well.

> You can also keep a dog on a leash.

Some people keep their children on a leash as well.

Re: Moderna is announcing three new vaccine programs

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Post by mustacheemperor »

artificialLimbs wrote: post #29
cogman10 wrote: post #3

Really good news! Hopefully these get approved relatively quickly. I'm most excited about the seasonal flu vaccine. That could be a major game changer.

Why? Does elderberry not work for you? Some anecdata: I had the flu NUMEROUS times as a child/young adult. I know what the flu feels like. A couple of years ago, I got the flu (no, I didn't go to the doctor because I knew it was 'just' the flu). I was feeling crummy one day, and the next I was curled up in bed, unable to move, fever with body aches, and slept most of that day. My wife told me about elderberry and gav…

Above, 2004 - “These findings need to be confirmed in a larger study.”

2020 - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32929634/

“We found no evidence that elderberry benefits the duration or severity of influenza. Post hoc analysis suggested primary outcomes with elderberry taken alone (without oseltamivir) were 2 days worse than with placebo taken alone. Our results contradict previous studies and demonstrate the need for further studies.”

We can all do our part to stop pubmed abuse.

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Post by tshaddox »

gizmo686 wrote: post #74
peteretep wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can also have dogs "put to sleep" but not people. You can also keep a dog on a leash. If a dog dies, there's no need for a coroner's report. It's not _that_ odd that human and dog medicine are held to different levels of testing and safety.

> We can also have dogs "put to sleep" but not people. Depending on where you live, you can have humans "put to sleep" as well. It is legal in 9 US states, Canada, parts of Australlia, and probably otherplaces as well. > You can also keep a dog on a leash. Some people keep their children on a leash as well.

I think in most of those places you have to ask the human first.

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Post by danfo »

throwarayes wrote: post #8

Very cool! Also I’d hope to see Lyme in the mix. It’s so pervasive and creates all kinds of weird dietary and nervous system issues.

>It’s so pervasive and creates all kinds of weird dietary and nervous system issues.

I am not an expert, but I think it would be amiss to omit the Lyme disease controversy with these statements. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4477530/

Lyme disease has a simple antibiotic treatment. The Lyme serology test has high false-positive rate. There might be many people who believe they have Lyme disease therefore sadly miss out on their actual diagnosis.

>Even if CLD lacks biological legitimacy, its importance as a phenomenon can be monumental to the individual patient. This is because many if not most patients who believe they have this condition are suffering, in many cases for years. Many have undergone frustrating, expensive, and ultimately fruitless medical evaluations, and many have become quite disaffected with a medical system that has failed to provide answers, let alone relief.

>Many patients referred for Lyme disease are ultimately found to have a rheumatologic or neurologic diagnosis. Rheumatologic diagnoses commonly misdiagnosed as Lyme disease include osteoarthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, degenerative diseases of the spine, and spondyloarthropathies. Some patients are found to have neurologic diseases, including multiple sclerosis, demyelinating diseases, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, neuropathies, and dementia. Some CLD advocates have argued that these various conditions are simply manifestations of Lyme disease, but these hypotheses are untenable.

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Post by myself248 »

e9 wrote: post #25
hooloovoo_zoo wrote: post #19

Would it be easier to cover more flu strains with an mRNA vaccine? Could we shove like 100 in there?

There is a Netflix documentary called Pandemic about couple that is trying to eradicate flu. They found vaccine that works on all flu viruses but it takes 6 shots to work. That’s not practical at all therefore it’s not on the market yet.

I have a debilitating fear of the flu and would ABSOLUTELY be up for a 6-shot regimen, if it gives me my winters back.

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Post by hangonhn »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #12
elil17 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We already have a Lyme disease vaccine. However, the manufacturer refuses to sell it for human use due to PR threats from conspiracy theorists. Unfortunately, creating vaccines is only half the battle. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2870557/

It's very odd that dogs can get vaccinated for Lyme but not humans...

Pets are considered property in all fifty states (Although in CA there are laws being proposed or even passed to change some of that). Any injuries or death to a pet only requires replacement cost.
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