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Post by rj_kidwin »

bun_at_work wrote: post #397
rayiner wrote: post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I didn't accuse the US of teaching religion, I accused it of teaching creationism and undermining peoples ability to learn critical thinking. We don't, and we legally cannot. > I know that religion is taught in the EU, I went to school in Denmark. And no one pushed it as reality, it was more of a learn this fiction because it has historically been important and some people still believe it. Not once was it presente…

You're right that religion isn't taught in US schools, however, it is promoted when schools and states work as hard as they can to exclude evolution from public school curriculums. This is effectively teaching the population religion in areas where religion is common and evolution is purged from the school books.

Serious question: can you show evidence where this has actually taken place in the school curriculum in recent times?

Anybody can advocate for anything, from wanting to teach Satanism and anti-vaxx science to GMOs cause cancer and "New Math", but the curriculum doesn't bend so easily since there are federal standards. Beyond fear mongering and "leftist memes", any real examples?

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Post by blisterpeanuts »

forgotmypw17 wrote: post #202
DamnYuppie wrote: post #40

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I have some experience on doing this type of work for large publications. We would always show the user their own content but would not show it to anyone else.

Facebook goes an extra step and displays it for people you're closest to while hiding it for others.

That's kind of creepy, actually.

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Post by n00bsaretheb3st »

nojito wrote: post #184
curiousgal wrote: post #135

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They are just appeasing the Democrats before they take control and break them up. Big Tech has had no issue offering services to third world dictatorships but when Americans drink the same koolaid, suddenly it's a pressing issue! Just to be clear, I am not blaming them, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy.

Or it was because of a literal coup attempt last week.

So should facebook deny or give access to rioters in Hong Kong? What about Arab Spring? Or will daddy zucc decide which leader is "good enough".

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Post by mattst88 »

jtbayly wrote: post #339
Gabriel_Martin wrote: post #245

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Totally, and then you have unfettered capitalism and corporatism, kakistocracies, oligarchies and lawn darts. Unfortunately, unlike all of those things, the FBI, Homeland Security[1] and Congress [2] actually found that white supremacists and other far-right-wing extremists are the most significant domestic terrorism threat facing the United States. So, when social networks' legal/liability or moderation teams take a…

StopTheSteal is not a slogan of white supremacists. In fact, it has nothing to do with white supremacism. Are you saying that 60 million or so people in the US are white supremacists?

Where is this 60 million number coming from?

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Post by n00bsaretheb3st »

CodeArtisan wrote: post #351
BurningFrog wrote: post #221

Tell me how this is wrong: The US is de facto converting to the Chinese model for the internet: All communication must be monitored, damaging content must be erased, and in serious cases, those responsible must be punished. If Parler gets a foreign data center, I expect a "Great Firewall of China" with American characteristics will soon follow.

Hong-Kong rioters and Capitol rioters both protested against a democratically elected government (or soon to be) but the former were called dissidents and got the support of USA tech corps[1] while the latter are called terrorists and are heavily censored. These tech corps are full of bullshit and shall not be trusted when it come to democracy or free internet. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/hong-kong-se…

Don't worry daddy zucc decides who is a good government and who is a bad one and facebook can be used to facilitate violent protests against.

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Post by tptacek »

rayiner wrote: post #410
rayiner wrote: post #407

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There are broad features of the parties that haven't changed that are necessary to understand the timeline of southern realignment. Republicans had been trying to win southern whites since the turn of the 20th century. That caused a large number of African Americans to abandon the party. They started voting overwhelmingly Democrat in 1936. But the Democratic Party didn't support the Civil Rights Act until 1964. And t…

TL;DR version 1) Goldwater’s landslide loss in 1964, winning no Republican states other than his own, proved that opposing the civil rights act of 1964 wasn’t tenable for either party . It’s not like Democrats could have beat Reagan had they opposed it. They would have lost their northern base, just as Goldwater lost the Republican base in 1964. It’s one factor in the detachment of the south from the Democratic Party…

It's not often I get to say that I think you're genuinely wrong, but here I think you're really far off the mark. Goldwater flipped the deep south (GA SC AL MS and LA). Nixon noticed and ran the same strategy in '68, by which point the entire south, wall-to-wall, was lined up behind the southern strategy (the states that didn't go for Nixon went for Wallace). I don't see any way you can read the history of the 1960s and 1970s as the Republican party running away from segregation; the opposite is true, and was literally recorded in newspaper features of the time:

https://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/books/phillips-souther...

(Similarly, I think you've collapsed the GOP of the 60s too far down; the Rockefeller Republicans were, on domestic policy, square in the middle of where the mainstream Democratic party is today. George Romney would have opposed AOC, but so does Gina Raimondo.)

At any rate, when people debate which is the "racist" party, they almost invariably ignore the fact that the US was a 4-party polity in the mid-century, not a 2-party polity. What's changed since then is that we have, from 1980 through today, sorted down to 2.

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Post by readflaggedcomm »

eplanit wrote: post #304

These are surreal times, to put it mildly. These headlines of banning/deplatforming would be ordinary if you substitute "CCP" for "Facebook", "Twitter", and "Amazon". Facebook has even blocked Ron Paul?!? ( https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1348704640486014982 ) FAANG is the bakery, and Trump and everything associated with him is the same-sex wedding cake.

Ron Paul is racist. He should have lost his voice long ago. https://www.vice.com/en/article/5gw353/yeah-ron-paul-is-raci...

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Post by fortytwo79 »

bun_at_work wrote: post #396
dcolkitt wrote: post #318

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Prior to 1950, the median adult American did not have a high school education.[1] If your thesis is that modern-day Americans are too uneducated for democracy, then you'd have to conclude the same about nearly any point in our history. (Or any other democracy prior to a couple decades ago.) [1] https://nces.ed.gov/pubs93/93442.pdf

Actually, my thesis isn't that Americans are too uneducated for democracy. It's that they are being manipulated by modern technology, which education in the US has failed to keep up with, resulting in the age of misinformation and "fake news." We live in a new era, the most stark difference being mass communication accessibility. This helps smart people become smarter, but it also helps smart people manipulate uneduc…

The primary thing I disagree with here is the thought that we can squelch our way to a more informed public. You clearly believe you can discern truth from lies, as do I. So why should the solution to misinformation be to trust a small group (who we didn't elect) to parse truth from fiction? I'd rather have access to all the information, and be better at discernment. And I reject the idea that we represent a minority of the United States. I think most people are way better at detecting lies than we give them credit for. The problem is, both sides lie. So it's too easy for us to view those who hold opposing views as ignorant fools, because they are on the side of a lie, regardless of if they believe that falsehood or not.

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Post by dredmorbius »

giantg2 wrote: post #398
dredmorbius wrote: post #384

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1945--1985 was arguably the high point. G.I. Bill and a rapid expansion of public university systems (inspired by the Sputnik scare --- see California's Master Plan by Clark Kerr), along with low or no tuitions. The tide began turning in the mid-to-late 1980s with rising tuition and a greatly increased reliance on loans.

Do you have some charts or data on degrees conferred per year as a percent of the population? Also, it looks like percent of the population with a degree is higher now than ever. https://www.statista.com/statistics/184272/educational-attai...

US BLS, Census, ad NCES have comprehensive stats, with summaries at Wikipedia,[1] and whilst in overall numbers you're probably correct, there are some counterarguments.

- Through the 1960s and possibly early 1970s, a solidly middle-class lifestyle remained possible without a college education. Apprentice and vocational tracks were abundant and viable.

- US Census data show a Bachellors-level local maximum attainment of about 25% in 1977, not exceeded until the mid-1990s.

- Many (though not all) who wanted a degree could get one. Money certainly wasn't the barrier. Yes, it helped (a lot) to be white and male, but former income and class barriers had fallen. By the 1960s, most undergrad programmes were fully co-ed, by the 1970s, graduate and professional. By the 1980s, both were female-majority in many schools if not outright overall.

- Debt loads on graduation were effectively nil at public schools. It was possible to study, work part-time, and save a little. On graduation, options were far more open for exploration, public service, volunteering ... or hedonism. This was a high point for Peace Corps work.

- Grad school was opening up tremendously.

- Academic positions for those grad students were numerous, in large part due to the rapid campus expansion.

Today's colleges deliver more graduates, both absolutely and as a fraction of population.

But as with automobiles and smartphones, what was once an optional luxury has become a necessity: many basic jobs request (though not all require) a degree. Debt loads are crushing. Secondary education quality is widely perceived as lower, and graduation rates there are effectively unchanged from the 1950s (whites) or early 1970s (all). What variation does exist largely trades graduation rates for aptitude levels.

There have always been some graduates who wind up in jobs that don’t require a college degree. But the share seems to be growing. In 1970, only 1 in 100 taxi drivers and chauffeurs in the U.S. had a college degree, according to an analysis of labor statistics by Ohio University’s Richard Vedder, Christopher Denhart and Jonathan Robe. Today [2013], 15 of 100 do.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-25/why-are-so-many-col...

So ... yeah, today more people get a college degree, because they must, with possibly worse quality, far higher direct cost, and more constrained options.

Is this really progress?

I'd explored dimensions of this topic a few years ago, output here: https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/search?q=education&rest...

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Notes:

1. Try NCES: https://nces.ed.gov

Article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_attainment_in_the_...

Plot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_attainment_in_the_...

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